StartupsJan 11, 2020
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Recently joined a bay area startup called Verkada, having mixed feelings

I joined Verkada after a brief stint at another bay area company. The interviews went smooth, the recruiters pitched hard, the execs wooed me with fancy food and a generous offer I couldn't refuse. Some N months later my bubble is burst and I regret coming here. It all started when I discovered that most of the senior engineering managers can't write a decent piece of code or conduct a simple technical interview. I have never seen a bigger team of inexperienced engineers working together on a critical product. The company is mainly sales driven, everyone here is blinded by getting rich young and quick, living in a successful IPO/acquisition dream bubble. The CEO is strongly driven by making money through sales, rather than focusing on developing a quality product for the customer. Though a surveillance security company, the features appear quite immature and dysfunctional. There was a customer incident last year and the camera failed to notice it with it’s weak AI capabilities. Highly hyped, below-par product features are released every quarter targeted to make even more sales than previous quarter. The engineers work long hours and operate under a 'release quickly first, fix later' motto. The company is loaded with investor money. They constantly throw lavish parties, team outings and provide crazy bonuses that brainwash employees to work harder every quarter. ——— While having lunch with a couple of early engineers on the team, one of them confided that the company culture is no longer the same as the time when he joined. People are frustrated and uncertain with where things are heading, there are plenty of latent egos floating around. He told me that one particular head of Sales quit and joined another surveillance camera competitor, which was a huge bad sign in itself. Many people in sales were unhappy when they found out. The mobile and web design teams seem okay, the core software engineers work 24/7, fixing constant bugs and working on ambitious features that are killed in the bud or replaced with a newer dream feature next quarter. The new products team doesn’t have a working product yet. Majority of the AI computer vision portion of the product is powered by deep learning services from external companies, far behind other similar startups in the surveillance domain and is at best average. To save costs, the camera hardware is cheaply manufactured from Asia with limited capabilities. The engineering hiring targets are scarily ambitious, engineering culture hints traces of ageism, there’s plenty of prevalent nepotism in hiring execs and fellow employees across all teams. The product targets are listed out every quarter to achieve a shorter term success, without clear long term goals. This sets of a repetitive cycle of broken features, weak bug fixes, duplicate engineering workload and a state of confusion among team members. Another engineer said he was quitting sometime this year and was already interviewing actively. ——— My initial good impressions of a seemingly successful startup are now replaced by severe doubts. The startup is 3-4 years old and has a long way to go to be a game changer in the market. My fear is that they will be acquired by a giant company(Cisco, Amazon, or equivalent) in the next few years and squashed down quickly. And us newer employees will leave with nothing but peanuts in hand. I want to take a calculated risk between leaving asap and staying on. But I have a family and this decision is not that simple. I need your help and advice!

Microsoft Vbsm66 Jan 11, 2020

It's pretty obvious that you should just leave.

Amazon Q.E.D. Jan 11, 2020

TC?

Amazon MarcG Jan 12, 2020

+1 TC or GTFO

Scientific Games MetaMind Jan 11, 2020

You will have 2 brief stints in a row on your resume. Doesn't look good. Start the job search but be more selective this time. Don't be wooed by money and sales pitch. Look for a challenging position that can teach you something.

Airbnb kYFK02 Jan 11, 2020

No it won’t

The Trade Desk noMI08 Jan 11, 2020

Start interviewing ASAP and leave once you have an offer or two in hand. And as scientific games mentioned make sure the next job you sign on to, you will be able to stick it out at least 2 years...use this experience to formulate what kind of questions you should be asking during the interview process.

Atlassian gandola Jan 11, 2020

Good that you realized early. 99% startups are bound to fail. Even if it goes public in say 3-4 years, you could earn same amount of money in that time frame from FAANG companies. Often people in startups are strongly motivated. They even feel that all big companies are doing crap .

Atlassian gandola Jan 11, 2020

Let me know if you want referral at my company.

Amazon Blazon Jan 11, 2020

I’d get a second opinion from some else you respect within the company who has worked at other places. I doesn’t sound like you have too much experience and I’m not sure if you’re being too harsh due to that. If they also confirm your beliefs then yes it’s time to go.

Verkada U05 Jan 11, 2020

Check my reply.

Google toofani Jan 11, 2020

TC or GTFO

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oOFe86 Jan 11, 2020

Hopefully nobody else from Verkada reads this

Verkada U05 Jan 11, 2020

I have but the goal is not to blame people for how they feel but see how we can always improve.

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oOFe86 Jan 11, 2020

Agreed completely. I'm just saying that because this isn't Google we're talking about. I don't know how big Verkada is but op gives away potentially identifying info while throwing managers/coworkers under the bus and also advertising the opinions and plans to leave of other workers (potentially) without their consent. I don't know, maybe Verkada is a huge startup with lots of employees 🤷🏻‍♂️

Amazon Northman Jan 11, 2020

This sounds pretty normal for a startup. Lots of tech debt, push features fast to drive sales, cut corners where possible, overhype with buzzwords that are backed by some outside services ("AI-powered", when you are really just using some 3rd party vendor API). If the company has product market fit and is scaling well, then the lack of maturity in the engineering org is par for the course. Whether you should stick it out or not depends on 1) whether the company has sufficient traction and growth 2) how much your options are worth 3) whether you are learning fast despite the issues 4) whether switching right now will look not-so-good on your resume (probably true).

Indeed rainwater Jan 11, 2020

startups are all about fake it till you make it, hack success, etc