Canadian here. During phone screen with fortune 500 they asked my salary expectations. I refused to answer and instead asked about salary band - recruiter gave a number less than my TC. I said that's much less than I anticipated and the rowdy recruiter (60 yr old) cut me off and started to lecture me on why what I put on my resume matters more given my young age, and that I shouldn't be chasing the money yet (lol). I told him that depending on interview performance and possible competing offers I'm expecting them to nudge the salary range - he said "we don't operate that way" and told me once someone tried doing that and he pulled the plug on them as there were other candidates willing to accept said TC. Calling BS on that, but, should I have responded the way I did after he told me the salary range? Should I waste my time interviewing? Feeling like skipping this one. Plus my manager would be on a different continent. EDIT: The company is Dell TC 100K #canada #engineering
Waste his time further. Scum bag is trying to lowball people
He has made the companyās policies very clear to you, and now you have the option to either continue working with him or finding something better. If you can find something better given your experience and interview performance, then donāt bother with this company. If you cannot, you may be stuck with them.
This is the best answer. Intelligent people know better than wasting their time attempting to waste a bad recruiter time. Your situation is what determines what you have to cope with or not. Free markets will handle the rest.
The problem is that recruiters normally donāt tell you the compensation band in the very beginning. They will wait until you pass the interview bar to lowball you . If I had know itās a lowball, I wonāt have accepted the interview. This is unfair advantage taken by the recruiter
Unless you were a jerk when you described how itās less than you anticipated, it sounds like itās the recruiter who escalated and tried to bully you into taking the range. Would not have handled differently. Doubt a company like this will actually help your skills or resume (irony of ironies) so unless you have enormous push factors from your current role probably donāt bother interviewing.
I certainly was humble throughout the whole conversation - my response could have sounded a bit rehearsed (..."Given what I know about the market and my experience, that range is lower..." blah blah). After his spiel of 5 minutes, I politely said I understand and respect your view. Anyway, you're probably right. I have interviews at better companies lined up (no FAANG unfortunately).
Definitely apply to palantir I think theyāre hiring in canada
Nothing necessarily wrong with how you handled it. Only thing you could have said further was that itās currently lower than other tc. The fact though heās pulling the āother people would be glad with this TCā though is a red flag. Unless this is a third party recruiter the company hired Iād be concerned about the work environment if the TC wasnāt already a red flag. if you still want to negotiate though just be prepared to walk.
Yeah from what I can see you are not in the wrong at all and this boomer douchebag totally is. Heās trying to take away all your negotiating power while framing it as giving you career advice. If I were you, I would submit feedback to someone about this recruiter (maybe the hiring manager?) and say because of them youāre no longer interested in the position.
Exactly. Recruiter with this attitude has reached 60 years age because nobody has pushed back. So definitely let hiring manager know along with reviews on LinkedIn, glass door etc
Feel free to use him as free mock interviews
Getting paid what you ask for when 50% of companies are on some sort of freeze is the reason recruiter ghosted you.
Some companies offer best and final offers. In other words, they wonāt negotiate. They should tell you upfront so itās not a surprise, and if you move forward with the interviews, know thatās their policy.
I understand this desire. But what about when there is a large range. For example if they tell you up front the base salary range is $120k - $180k, they place you at $120k and offer you that, you would be completely happy with that if it was more then you were getting now? You would have no issues with knowing you are at the very bottom of the range? If you want salary transparency, that is fine. You just have to also be fine with knowing you are paid a less than other people in the same position because you were assessed as being below them. Some people can handle hard truths like that. Some struggle with it because most people like to think they are above average and donāt like to be told they are actually below average.
Most candidates donāt realize this but internal equity is taken into account when we are extending offers. If the range is 120k - 180k, only our top performers come close to 180k. Theyāll take a look at your experience, see where it lines up with the rest of the team, then offer you a salary. Everyone wants the 180k, but no hiring manager is going to offer you that if you have less experience than other people on the team in that range.
A recruiter low balled me. She gave me a 48 hour deadline to accept an offer even when it was clearly too low, though more than i currently earn. My market value based on my yoe and aws skills was definitely more but they did not think of being realistic and forced me to make a decison. Since i had already spent time on the interviews, i said yes and asked them to transfer visa. In the time my visa was being figured out i got a 200k more offer which i am hoping to join soon. The new company recruiters acted more peacefully. They did not bully me. not even asked me to accept on their own. They just made sure i was happy. Now i am gonna say F U to the company1 and going to join the company 2. It will not obviously impact the company 1. Only people impacted will be Recruiter and probably i wont have an opportunity to work with company 1 again. I hardly care because managers are ex-witch suckers. I dont know why some recruiters act so childish and think they can force someone to join at a lower pay, in this employment at will world. For you it is always good to let it go now. If however you would have already spent time on it, you should have continued and kept looking for more.
Not saying what you did was wrong, but it's apparent from what you did. You accepted the offer even with all the red flags and inherent unhappiness, because the pay was slightly better. You were skilled and lucky to get a better offer so you could decline company 1. But not everyone could get another offer for a multitude of reasons. Those employees give the recruiters/companies the idea that they can get away with this behaviour.
Sounds like youāre wasting your time with that company. If they donāt offer competitive salary just let it be.