YoE(2.5PM, 10 total) Final Amazon offer: 345k (330K + 15k Reloc) Final MSFT offer: 250k (230k + 20k Reloc) Timeline: - Accepted MSFT Product Strategy offer (TC 250k) 3 weeks ago, with goal to convert to L64 PM in a year (to confirm, this has happened many times before on that team, I think one person went straight to Facebook PM) - Around same time, finished Amazon L6 PM-T round, got 305K offer on an Alexa team. Asked for higher offer and didn't get it so turned down. - Got updated offer recently: 345k, effectively 35%+ over Microsoft Cons of taking Amazon - I'd have to turn down an offer I accepted after quite a long delay. If it was a MSFT product team, it may matter less, but it's a small world with strategy teams - 1000s of Alexa PMs; is it that useful to stand out in the future? - 10 hr/wk more work, basically 8am to 8pm; no life on weekdays, pretty important to me as I have a creative side business that I value equal to my PM career Pros of taking amazon + Higher salary than I'll see till I can leave Microsoft in 2-3 years + Easier way to stay in location desired (Msft requires 30% travel to HQ, Amazon a little bit less to 1 city over) What should I do? > Is there any way to ask for concessions from MSFT after accepting the offer? > If I reject amazon offer now, does it help or hurt me in any way if I decide to go for it in a year? Edit: I set up a conversation with MSFT HM. I'm still leaning MSFT because: 1) I expect ~2hr/day less at MSFT and value that highly as I have a side business 2) I think both are similar in terms of time I get to be remote vs travel to HQ. Not going to renegotiate or anything, but explain how Amazon surprised me with a crazy high offer, and retest if I'm right on the above two as differentiators for MSFT. #offer #product #productmanagement
$50k is not worth the mental sickness from amazon
How badly do you need that money? The last few people I talked to from Amazon were all really depressed and burned out, and looking for any way to get out.
How bad does anyone need money after a couple 100k. It just buys freedom earlier. Part of it also is that the location is much more suitable for me. There are decent teams doing interesting work at Amazon, just no way to tell from the outside if this is one of them. I've talked to interns on the team though and other than working 55 hrs, they spoke highly of it.
That's an indecent offer. Take it
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Hey, don’t forget the benefits and refreshers (🥜) at Microsoft
That factors in benefits like the 401k difference. Refreshers are like 20k max/year right and vest over 5 years right? Not even guaranteed, so like 5k/year Any pay rise would be offset by loss of signing bonus over Y1 to Y3. Might get a little bump when I get to PM, but at most I'm looking at $260k till like Y3 or Y4.
Got it. Guaranteed refreshers at L63 are 24K and goes all the way up to 48K, but still peanuts at the end of the day. So go for Amazon. L6s at Amazon are joining Microsoft at L65. Hard to get to L65 internally even in the next 4 years.
For those of you saying talk to MSFT, what should the conversation be? Openly trying to renegotiate seems like a no-no and wouldn't close the gap much anyway.
You could see if the HM can push for another 50k or 100k in the sign-on stock award.
I've read that it is really bad form to try and renegotiate post accepting an offer. Pretty much every post on blind on the topic notes that. I mean i'll note the huge difference in offers and can leave it open-ended as to what I'll do about that, but don't think I can go more explicit in terms of asking for $$. Was going to ask for more concessions on remote work or understand the hours for the role better, as these matter more to me.
Hi OP, mind if I ask what you ended up doing in this situation and what the outcome was?
That’s a big bump, take it