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I feel it is rooted in the fact that there is no incentive for managers to improve ‘perceived’ low performer. It is easier to double down on that target and push them towards failure to meet URA target. I have personally observed concerted efforts by manager in this direction having different standards. Agree?
Forced ranking curve would be my guess
PIP/hire is the HR version of buying stuff and discarding it when used. It’s our whole culture, not to mention retail. Nobody fixes things anymore, we just throw them away and get another. Amazon enables/rewards this behavior by not recognizing it deals with humans. URA provides a mechanism to do this easily for managers.
Oh man, just stop this topic already
Amazon HR spotted
Why is trying to discuss, in good faith, reasons for some of the root causes behind one of the poorest-rated company culture in tech (and there are soooo many other bad ones, but Amazon consistently remains the worst) a bad thing? Wouldn’t you, esp as an HR, want to at least have some hypotheses to test and see if you could improve some of these pain points?
It's designed this way. Jeff Bezos used to work for D. E. Shaw & Co. where he raised to the top in a cut throat individualistic Hedge Fund environment. I'm sure that at some point he hired several MBAs to "build Amazon's culture". They basically adapted the Toyota Way to the Western Tertiary and Quartenary sectors (Surprise, Toyota also has 14 LPs and employees dying from overwork). Amazon version of Toyotism basically throws away everything about "Team Work" and "Going Slow to get there fast". Every principle was designed to be weaponized and generate results as fast as possible by pushing responsibility to the individual (again, the Hedge Fund way). Amazon is not sustainable; It was never meant to be sustainable. Even if Amazon does everything right it will eventually be considered a Monopoly and die (think Standard Oil Co.). Amazon Top level executives are very candid about it: "I predict one day Amazon will fail. Amazon will go bankrupt. If you look at large companies, their lifespans tend to be 30-plus years, not a hundred-plus years.". Amazon culture is about extracting as much value as possible before the whole thing goes boom. The system is basically designed to induce fear and force you to work as fast as possible. Amazon isn't really raising the bar, almost everything that Amazon produces is shitty and has been done better by some other company. Amazon forces its way into success by keeping everything cheap. Amazon employees are just like drag race tires. They aren't really meant to last, they are purposed to perform for a brief moment while the company puts an enormous strain on them so that it can run a short distance as fast as possible. You are supposed to burnout and get replaced. You are supposed to be removed easily when the company is done with you. The culture is playing exactly as intended.
Basically sucking the blood out of poor labor. The modern day slavery to print fat rewards for executives.
best comment. ever.
Rephrase it. Amazon is managers paradise. Amazon has attracted the world's most incompetent backstabbing shady managers. Your manager will throw you under the bus just because it's easy. You will end up having mental health issues, losing a lot of money, and poor physical health. Avoid working for those incompetent fake managers. These days they call themselves engineering manager.
Not that I have any sympathy for Amazon Managers, but honestly, L6 and L7 managers that are pressing IC Faces against the tarmac are generally also under a lot of pressure. The system is calibrated so that middle management mostly live in fear as well.
Someone in pressure and fear to do intentionally wrong will leave at the first episode. Those tenure are 12 months. A full OLR cycle. Rest have made a well informed decision on what's easy for them to make their paycheck.
URA target itself is the culprit, no?
When it reaches 20% forced firing in 2020.