CompensationMar 26, 2019
ClarifaivWoy44

SDE I offer from Amazon with 4 YOE

Base 114k Sign on y1 38k y2 28k RSU 55 shares Those are initial numbers. Will consider only if the offer is improved. The recrutier asked my feedback after told me the details. What can be improved? It’s based in NYC. Updated: 130k base 48k & 38k sign on 68 RSU Also received a late stage startup in NYC offer 200k TC Any thoughts are welcome

Juniper u71ghty Mar 26, 2019

Base - 130k (at least) Rsu - 70 shares

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 26, 2019

Should I just tell recrutier that’s my expectation? I’m terrible talking with recruiters over the phone

Juniper u71ghty Mar 26, 2019

That's what Blind is for. https://teamcandor.com/salary/guide/

Cruise Automation jefeb Mar 26, 2019

This is worse than new grad offer wow (for Amazon)

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 26, 2019

I know! Literally told the recrutier that’s below expectation on spot

Amazon pforjusutt Mar 26, 2019

TC you should aim with 4 yoe should be 170k. You have 152k

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 26, 2019

Got it. I guess I’ll talk to them. If it doesn’t work out then too bad. The recruiter said the feedbacks are mostly positive. I didn’t have a perfect interview loop but it was decent. Messed up one coding round but that i did great on the LP and the interview said you are so close to it. The design is not perfect but it’s decent, that Senior SDE told me his favorite LP is hiring and developing the best, then I knew he’s the bar raiser

Amazon carr carr Mar 26, 2019

typical amazon low ball. dont take it

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 26, 2019

Won’t take this for sure. I’m wondering how much can be improved

Facebook devvm Mar 26, 2019

Can you interview with more companies? You might be able to pull off equivalent of SDE2 somewhere with 4yoe. Amazon will make you sweat for a while for that promotion (can easily take 2.5y+ depending on team and your performance)

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 26, 2019

Honestly that’s my expectation for the next role. I was planing to start interview in a month or two. Amazon recruiter just happened to contacted me at this time

Amazon judgefudge Mar 26, 2019

Not really. I’ve seen L4s promoting in 8 months.

Amazon oIgT44 Mar 26, 2019

It's lower than you expected because you probably got downleveled feom sde2 to sde1 in the interview. With 4 yoe you should be able to get promoted in <1 year if you're decent

Amazon carr carr Mar 26, 2019

that’s amazon bs. don’t take this offer. amazon promo <1 is not a promise.

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 26, 2019

I understand it’s downleveled, unless the position they referred me is SDE I? Didn’t ask the recruiter what’s the level in the first place. However this looks like new grads SDE I offer

Amazon odVN70 Mar 26, 2019

You can only get so much for SDE1 at Amazon. None of which will justify your 4 yoe unless you've been doing nothing substantial during that time. Think you should expect to decline the offer, but at least see how much more they're willing to give.

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 27, 2019

That’s fair. I’ve doing pretty interesting and scalable systems for object detection during the past year. Yeah I’m interesting to see how much more they are willing to give. The recruiter said tell me what do you think and we can work on that. Though I don’t have much expectation

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 29, 2019

Recruiter told me the new numbers after I stated my counter. 130k base, 68 shares RSU, 48k and 38k for the sign on, which is slightly worse than my counter. It’s a good offer for this position. Any thoughts?

Amazon pforjusutt Mar 29, 2019

178k is your TC. That’s good. You’re at the high end of L4. Congrats! Pretty steep correction which is cool. Get promoted to L5 in 12-15 months. L5 is 182k-242k TC

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Mar 30, 2019

Thank you! Yeah, it’s a good offer for L4. Probably won’t bump too much after promotion in a year or two. I do just received another offer from a late stage NYC startup, which offers 200k tc at a higher level (though startup level is a bit less strict than tech giants) I’m still deciding, not a easy choice at this moment since I didn’t interview much

AQR kb51vajq1 Apr 3, 2019

How much is your clarifai TC? are ML engineers there doing real ML stuff or just deployment, QA, and ops stuff?

Clarifai vWoy44 OP Apr 4, 2019

Definitely below average. Don’t recommend coming here if you have other option. The only good thing is that the work is very interesting and challenging if you are into computer vision and object detection stuff. I do think ML engineers doing real ML stuff