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Job market is brutal for SWEs 🥲
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I understand it may have very a lot seeing recent times, but wanted to understand how much a security engineer can earn more/less compared to SDE with similar experience and similar level of knowledge in these companies. My understanding says that you can earn well only if you are into revenue generating team and many companies in industry don't consider cyber security as revenue generating domain while it is essential in these days. Considering around 6+ years of exp, how much pay varity may come between SDE and Security Engineer at same knowledge level in respective domain. Appreciate your input or to clear any misunderstanding. #google #facebook #meta #amazon #apple #netflix #microsoft #adobe
Lots of wrong info about infosec market everywhere. My SO is L4 security engineer at Google, a bit more than 300k TC (adjust for Houston). The TC range in Google for security eng is actually **more** than SWE/SDE at equivalent levels, while layoff risk for the field is even lower overall. Literally, no security eng got laid off in her entire department. I also talked to a guy I know in access on the full layoff data, so I know it’s not just my opinion from anecdotes. Security talent isn’t as much “cost center” anymore for large co, since cyber insurance started to wise up on underwriting and increased regs/compliance costs so it easily costs more to insure and comply rather than to hire talent, but the hard part is your experience and talent matters a lot, not as easy to break into like SWE/SDE (it’s all relative). You can’t easily switch to senior infosec roles where TC can get insanely high due to huge supply/demand mismatch. Masters/CISSP/etc doesn’t help get you the job much. Keep in mind, there is a big reason why Microsoft was sweating when Google bought Mandiant. Not really covered in media much, but Sundar mentions Mandiant several times in recent earnings calls - so clearly he is “focused” on it alongside “AI” and “cloud”.
I’m well connected with a variety of threat intel analysts and security engineers at Mandiant and a lot of them have been leaving since google acquired. A bunch recently got promoted which I believe is likely due to the mismatch in leveling that occurred during the initial acquisition. Lots of random headaches and the threat intel was platforms between the two companies hasn’t even been merged yet. Lots of weird friction between googlers in TAG who have egos about VT and their own work, who refuse to acknowledge the superiority of Mandiants work in security.
My SO hasn’t seen any tension and isn’t in TAG, but has heard about the tension. We can see the tension with the TAG folks vs the Mandiants that are more consultant leaning types.
At Amazon my understanding is that we are in similar pay bands to SWEs as SecEng. Im L5 at ~300k TC.
I have the same YOE as you, and in the same field. I can confirm that Security Engineer pay is the same as SWE pay in FAANG. How's VMware? I know a few security folks who work there. Seems like a good place (minus FAANG TC). Feel free to DM for more specifics
Yes, its really good place to work. Quality of work and culture is amazing. Yes, will DM you. You are too into cyber security.. right?
Not true for Google sec eng