Silicon Valley Exodus

Dec 28, 2017 125 Comments

https://www.geekwire.com/2017/redfins-glenn-kelman-predicts-mass-tech-exodus-coastal-cities/

Google hires more ppl outside of silicon valley than they inside of sv due to high real estate costs in the bay area. This guy predicts not many companies will remain here.

Are you guys willing to relocate somewhere else? Cause I cant survive with Intel Salary in the bay area anymore. Im gtfo starting from 2018 to Seattle

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    • Microsoft
      yMcg47

      Microsoft

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      Amicitiae nostrae memoriam spero sempiternam fore
      yMcg47more
      Today is great, but it doesn’t matter. I never go outside
      Dec 28, 2017
    • Microsoft shshsgi
      The weather hasn't been an issue for us. Far better than the East Coast, which is where I am from. Much milder winters (e.g. it's only snowed three times on Christmas in the last 100 years). Gorgeous, gorgeous summers.

      Yes, it's not CA's all around year warm semi-desert climate. But most places aren't.
      Dec 28, 2017
  • Amazon Elf
    Amazing that tech companies pay high wages for people, we are the smart ones, but not smart enough to fix this broken system, more homeless, less affordable housing (purchase or rent), people are displaced, the companies that are causing this problem are the companies we want to work or we working, but is not our fault we say, we are just a tiny piece of the system causing this problem, we are lucky compare to the rest of the population (I’m talking about the world), hot shower, hot food, a roof are not enough, we want more and more, new iPhone, new crap, when a tech company opens a office in x place we see the same pattern: wages, rent and cost of living rise, I saw medium/small business in Bay Area and Seattle closing because: “they can not afford to pay the rent”, we are going to be 8 billion humans soon, but we don’t care, the rat race is real and we are part of the problem.
    Dec 28, 2017 21
    • Intuit nilops
      It’s only out of American ignorance that you can discuss American thought and action in isolation. Isolationism has always been a fallacy.
      Dec 29, 2017
    • Amazon / Product Gucci Gang
      @Nilops

      I’m not encouraging isolation, I’m pointing out that this thread is about the Bay Area and we don’t need to bring in other countries on a topic very specifically focused on the Bay and tech.
      Dec 30, 2017
  • Google / Eng YourVP
    Yes, would like to GTFO as soon as appropriate
    Dec 28, 2017 6
    • Microsoft **Ptr++
      Yes, but that’s just one part of the equation. Seattle salaries are lower. Opportunities are significantly lower compared to Valley. So there might be some short term savings but you will end up losing more in the long term. Don’t base decisions purely on $. Most personal tax provisions of this bill expires in 2025-2026. Also, it’s called sunshine tax for a reason. You underestimate the contribution of the great CA weather on your overall wellbeing.
      Dec 29, 2017
    • Intel DSPN81
      SF weather is just as bad as Seattle if not worse - Seattle summers are amazing and SF summers are fog. If you live in East/South Bay, it's a f'ing shithole. Seattle is a way better situation, lower cost of living, and no state income tax.
      Jan 5, 2018
  • Akamai Technologies wePD25
    I wonder if some of these people head to the Boston area. Taxes and housing are much lower than California but it still has a vibrant tech scene and economy.
    Dec 28, 2017 9
    • Intel Isbdbsk
      There’s a reason they call it “taxachusetts”. Taxes are ridiculous in Boston.
      Dec 28, 2017
    • Google tentenths
      Seems like a bargain coming from CA, lol
      Dec 28, 2017
  • Adobe cjEh51
    Utah is growing at a crazy rapid rate. Lots of unicorns and big players like adobe
    Dec 28, 2017 10
    • Intel intelgasb
      I’m now moving to Utah. I’m tired of higher state taxes and self destructive fiscal policies in OR.
      Dec 29, 2017
    • Intel sillycon
      What employer?
      Dec 29, 2017
  • Intel NoFear
    Carolinas are seeing a lot of growth as well... Cheap power, cheap cost of living and real estate, good tax breaks for corps creating jobs, etc... FB, Google, Microsoft, IBM, Cisco, NetApp, DellEMC, lots of biotechnology and research firms and Amazon all have a presence. Not a bad place to have a tech career outside of the West coast and SV, or Texas and Boston.. Major Florida Cities and Atlanta are also decent SE USA tech markets.
    Dec 28, 2017 4
    • New / Eng
      G0dz1la

      New Eng

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      Qualcomm, Nokia, Apple
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      Hardware Tinkerer, Software Engineer, Musician, Painter, Moving Helper
      G0dz1lamore
      Not moving to a Trumper state ever, I might get shot for not looking white
      Dec 28, 2017
    • New / Ops
      Batman33

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      Batman33more
      NC isn't really that bad and the cities are super progressive. Just a much larger rural population there. I do agree with the driving thing but I didn't grow up in a city like NY so that's normal to me. Raleigh has had a pretty consistent and good tech community for the last 30 years. Decent amount of meetups/tech scene, affordable real estate, ok taxes. Having lived in California I'd say I definitely enjoy living here more.
      Dec 29, 2017
  • Twitch lolze
    Bay Area is indeed becoming prohibitively expensive to raise a family. But I would rather downsize and live minimally than move to a less progressive, less weather friendly, more polluted, dirtier water supply, or less agriculturally diverse alternative
    Dec 28, 2017 13
    • Google / Eng bigdot
      So air quality and water quality are the main pollution factors I can think of. Are there others to consider as well?
      Jan 17, 2018
    • Google tentenths
      Light pollution, noise pollution, recycling, composting, energy mix, carpool lanes, public transport, bicycle infrastructure, clean air/vehicle incentives, public EV charging, ...
      Jan 17, 2018
  • Amazon hexoctal
    I would strongly advise against moving to Seattle. I moved from the bay area and regret it.
    Weather really sucks. Depressed people everywhere. Traffic is 10x bad than bay with i-5 always jammed.
    Most terrible drivers in the country. If it rains there will be slowdown on the highway. So that's like 9 months of the year.
    People argue muh mountains, but it's not worth it.
    I would rather live in a sunny/expensive town than a little cheap/bad weather one.
    YMMV.
    Dec 28, 2017 4
    • Amazon hexoctal
      Good to know its working for you. I like hiking but not into skiing. I have lost a lot of vitamin D since moving to Seattle. OTC drugs don't work for me. There is not much to do in Seattle tbh.
      @Rhva38 - I lived in peninsula. Bart would get me into downtown in 40 minutes for 15 miles. Here, I spend 50 min or more for under 10 miles.
      Employment opportunities are also limited in Seattle with amazon and msft only big corps. FB and Goog are catching up, but the presence is still very small.
      Dec 28, 2017
    • What are the things you were able to do in sf that you cant do in seattle?
      Dec 31, 2017
  • Amazon aeCj31
    When did we start to define “coast cities” as only NY, LA, SF, Boston? Seems odd that he was defining a mass migration away from coastal cities to... Seattle, Portland, Florida, Houston?
    Dec 28, 2017 3
  • Amazon GunNun
    We need HQ2! Sooner the better!
    Dec 28, 2017 0

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