ChewyXX-YY

Sr Staff Data Science Manager at Google = ? at Apple

Interviewing for Sr Staff DS manager at Google, and some unknown level at Apple, although I am told it's a manager of managers role. Info I have on the upcoming loops - Apple said no tech rounds for the onsite! That's interesting? 2 panel interviews... Panel interviews?? Google recruiter said the phone screen will have a DS coding round, then immediately corrected the statement and said, only applied stats? Onsite has no coding rounds either. So both loops have no coding rounds, I am truly surprised.. Got a few questions for the blind folks - 1. What level is a manager of managers at Apple? What is the expected TC for Cupertino? 2. What level is a Sr Staff DS Manager at Google? What does Sr Staff mean for a manager role? Whats the expected TC for mountain view? About me 14 yrs exp, TC 580k non bay area

Adobe downBadd Jun 13, 2022

Is it a staff or a manager

Roche sryhkkss Jun 13, 2022

Sr Staff Sc Manager sounds like L7 TLM. Org of 20-40 people. Managing other TLMs, tech leads and ICs. If they are telling you no coding then I guess it's manager track. Clarify with recruiter what ladder and what level you are interviewing for. Business titles might vary.

Neo Plumbing NYC rwvR47 Oct 6, 2023

Hi can you please help me with a referral, hard working smart guy

Google agutcv Jun 13, 2022

L7 DS TLMs have smaller teams than SWE TLMs. Still, sounds fishy.

Chewy XX-YY OP Jun 13, 2022

What part sounds fishy?

Google agutcv Jun 13, 2022

Sr Staff Manager sounds fishy. But maybe that's to signal it is L7. Also, to my knowledge, DS orgs aren't scaling so fast as to need the equivalent of the Engineering Manager role for SWE. But what do I know.

Roche sryhkkss Jun 13, 2022

OP, what's your background, career progression, current role? How did you get L7 loop?

Chewy XX-YY OP Jun 13, 2022

14yr exp, phd, just applied and got a call, so I would say luck. I understand that L7 at Google is a coveted role, but the scope actually sounded smaller than what my 20 person team is delivering now.

Chewy XX-YY OP Jun 13, 2022

I am yet to have the first screen, so this means very little at the moment.

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CASC3 Jun 14, 2022

M2 to M3 at šŸ

Apple JonyIvy Jun 14, 2022

Iā€™m inclined to say M2 since I havenā€™t seen many external hire M3s and we usually like to promote to M3

Meta rHRL87 Jun 15, 2022

M2 is a pay cut for a Google L7. They should go for ICT6 if M3 is hard.

Fidelity Investments agile22 Jun 14, 2022

580 at Chewy in non-bay . Dayum !

Bloomberg gagago<go> Jun 14, 2022

Dumb question: Ds = distributed systems or data science?

Bank of America EvntHorizn Jun 14, 2022

This is posted in data science section...

Bloomberg gagago<go> Jun 14, 2022

Ah thanks, didn't notice the section

P&G sorted_arr Jun 14, 2022

I'm not surprised that DS manager doesn't need to know coding

Microsoft jiayounuli Jun 14, 2022

580 even after the stock collapsing? Super impressive

Chewy XX-YY OP Jun 14, 2022

Chewy can pay up to 50% in cash which provides a little cushion from stock volatility.

Microsoft jiayounuli Jun 14, 2022

wow thanks for sharing

Boeing todoloo Jun 14, 2022

Impressive. :O. OP is it 14 years exp including PHD years?

Chewy XX-YY OP Jun 14, 2022

Yes, did full time school and full time work during the PhD.

Boeing todoloo Jun 14, 2022

Thanks you. I am also leaning towards doing Phd while working. Your reply makes me think its possible. How long did it took overall?