Tech IndustrySep 22, 2021
Apple←↑→

Stay at Apple or leave for VMWare or Airtable?

Apple ICT4: $210K base ~14% bonus (not written anywhere, but personal historical data points) ~$120K RSUs per year (~$480K unvested - including appreciation) TC: ~$370K/year Refreshers were around $80-100K per year VMWare Staff: $240K base 17% (supposed to be pretty solid to expect from what I'm hearing) $100K RSUs per year ($400K for 4 years) $40K sign-on TC: ~$390K/year (dividing sign-on over 4 years) Refreshers - probably around $0-50K - can someone confirm? Airtable L5: $210K base 0% bonus ~$1M RSUs with an option to take $40K as a yearly cash bonus $10K sign-on TC: ~$210-250K liquid / ~$460K if paper money becomes real at current valuation Refreshers - probably $0 - can someone confirm? YOE: 7. All in Bay Area. Trying to optimize for learning, growth and future prospects. No really learning a lot at Apple anymore, transferring teams is a pain and doesn't come with pay or title bump, ICT5 is unlikely to happen next year. VMWare team sounds pretty good (under UEM - can anyone chime in on their experience?). Lots of unknown at Airtable, so it can really shake out in every possible way; valuation seems pretty high My concerns right now: Apple: stagnating here, slowly making progress and learning very little - afraid of falling behind. VMWare: Dell-VMWare spinoff in early November and its effect on the stock price, company name (legacy? dinosaur? etc.), little to no refreshers (?). Airtable: paper money, high valuation ($5.7B, >60x revenue multiple), no refreshers or bonus (?), WLB, IPO timeline, insurance options + no ESPP or 401(k) match (which pushes Apple and VMWare a tad bit higher). Thanks! #tech #apple #airtable #vmware

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Amazon disco40 Sep 22, 2021

Airtable and it’s not close imho. Good luck!

Microsoft k5a78gy Sep 22, 2021

Yoe ?

Apple ←↑→ OP Sep 22, 2021

7

Google L5Plumber Sep 22, 2021

AirTable is under my radar too. Do you know what kinds of IC work you will do at AirTable?

Apple ←↑→ OP Sep 22, 2021

All I know is writing lots of TypeScript.

Google L5Plumber Sep 22, 2021

Thanks for sharing! that’s consistent with my impression that they are mostly hiring front end people

HPE beloved* Sep 22, 2021

'Keep looking' is missing in poll.

Apple ←↑→ OP Sep 22, 2021

Fair point. Can't edit polls, so thumbs up this comment to vote for "Keep looking"!

Cisco yoebso Sep 22, 2021

Keep looking

VMware covidcovid Sep 22, 2021

vmware refresher is not good (uncertain). Stock is performing poorly.

VMware covidcovid Sep 22, 2021

Stock is at 2018 price now.

Apple LazyDoge Sep 22, 2021

Drop VMWARE - they are in a tough spot surrounded by AWS, GCP, Azure etc. stock price reflects that.

VMware covidcovid Sep 22, 2021

Sad but true.

VMware doNotTalk Sep 22, 2021

Vmw: expect 50k RSU/4 if you meet expectations. But due to stock poor performance, we have really high attrition right now. And many team members are not motivated to work and focusing on LC.

Amazon megapuff77 Sep 22, 2021

Wouldn’t recommend VMWare, Apple is a high growth company and VMWare is an old schools dinosaur. Why not move to an infra org in Apple?

Cisco yoebso Sep 22, 2021

Airtable valuation is way too high. Would've been a good move a few years ago

Google hRcy36 Oct 9, 2021

I've felt that way about Notion's valuation since they were a unicorn