Hi folks, I’m looking out for a new role and I want to understand what compensation range to expect. I am not open to startups or shaky companies. I’d prefer larger and stable companies. Some background: I am not an engineer. My background is as a project manager for large scale systems implementations. Think SAP, Oracle, Netsuite or similar including their detailed configs and customizations. I’d like to make it super clear that I’m not one of those “co-ordination only” project managers. I understand the systems I implement fairly well - since I come from a business analysis background. I am very adept at understanding and to an extent architecting systems integrations end-to-end. I handle budgets of upto 30M fairly independently and comfortably. In my entire career, I’ve never missed a cross-functional systems dependency - even in implementations that touch perhaps hundreds of other organizational tools and processes. I can negotiate with vendors ruthlessly. I can also independently create and conduct large scale training programs to train employees on the new systems we launch. I also design communication strategies and execute them. I’ve seen “Agile” and “scrum” being bashed a lot on this app. I promise that if I’m running a project for you, you’d see the value in these methodologies. People hate Agile simply because their projects are run by PgMs who don’t know how it truly works. My total work experience is around 7 years. Half of it is in the US and half in London. I love where I work and what I do but the fact is that other companies pay better - and I would like to move. Current TC is approx $175K Bay Area. I have been applying to positions and have a few calls with recruiters lined up (including one from a FAANG). I would like to hear from fellow PgMs here what TC I should demand. Just a ballpark number. Thanks!
If you need an explanation, you clearly haven’t independently handled large implementations. Ever designed a multi million dollar system end-to-end? Or designed a system based on input from hundreds of stakeholders throughout your company? Managing those expectations is the toughest part of our job and getting an entire organization to accept a new system is even harder. If you haven’t done any of this, then you can take your toxicity and useless commentary elsewhere. Someone in my place typically would know just about every system and process that will be impacted by every large scale system your company implements or replaces - SAP, Oracle, Salesforce and every single system that exists. That’s what systems PMs implement. We miss one dependency and you have critical systems that go down. Why so salty though?
Can target ~$250k for your background. Happy to refer at Intel if you want
Thank you! Will look at roles and DM you if I see any that are a fit.
To be very honest, I don’t think any duration or any kind of study can make someone a better PgM. It comes purely from experience. Certifications like PMP or CAPM look nice on one’s resume - but doing these certifications don’t necessarily teach anyone anything useful. I got into this field purely by accident. A company back in the UK was hiring grads for business analyst roles and that’s how I got in. Gradually progressed to a project manager role. The one thing that’ll help is not limiting yourself to only co-ordination. Get into the details of the system you’re implementing. The more you know the system, the better you’ll be able to articulate yourself and understand what’s happening around you. And the better you articulate, the more people will respect you and value you. Secondly, don’t be afraid to go beyond your role at least in your first 2-3 years. That’ll make you almost like a “mini-CEO” for your project since you’ll handle everything right from selecting vendors, to drafting contracts, gathering requirements, supervising their build, testing, training, communication and launch planning. Eventually, you could pick one domain of systems that you’re comfortable in (Eg: supply chain or maybe sales systems). And you could become a solution architect at a company for the system stack in that area. I have seen solution architects of entire system stacks progress to Sr Dir or VP positions eventually since they understand literally every nuance of their domain (business and technical) end to end.
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Amazon isn’t one of the companies I’m applying to. Neither is yours.