CompensationSep 8, 2018
AmazoncjaP02

TC growth at Amazon vs. Microsoft

From looking at levels.fy1 it appears that TC is higher at Amazon, especially for SDE 2-3. Is this correct? Trying to figure out where I’ll end up with higher TC after 5-6 years. Thanks.

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Amazon perfume LP Sep 8, 2018

It will be skewed toward being higher at Amazon because Amazon's stock has increased 5-6x in the past few years and a lot of the bonus comp structure revolves around a large amount of RSUs that start in your 3rd year

Amazon cjaP02 OP Sep 8, 2018

How does stock work when you get promoted to SDE 2?

Amazon perfume LP Sep 8, 2018

It matters more how much you get given at your hire date (because that determines how much RSUs you're getting that will increase as stock goes up). So if you start at SDE 2/3, it will be better than starting at SDE 1/2 and getting promoted a level because a lot of stock gains will have passed by the time you get promoted. However assuming to get the same level of comp as the people who reported at levels.fyi shouldn't hold true now because AMZN won't grow 5-6x again in a couple years. At most it might grow 2x in a few years in an incredibly optimistic scenario. Only 3 companies in history have hit a trillion dollars market cap, it's not like Amazon will hit 2 trillion that easily.

Amazon Dr. Savage Sep 8, 2018

Amazon might be the worst FANG but it’s still FANG :/

Amazon knrg03 Sep 9, 2018

Why is Amazon the worst FAANG?

Amazon Dr. Savage Sep 9, 2018

Slightly lower comp compared to Google and Facebook and less perks due to standardizing them for all employees since the workforce is vastly blue collar. Although stock appreciation in the last five years made everyone L6+ millionaires.

Microsoft Trosk Sep 8, 2018

Amazon > msft if you are staying 5 years. But still worse than staying 2.5 at msft and jumping to G/FB

Amazon cjaP02 OP Sep 8, 2018

Could always jump to G/FB from Amazon too

Amazon Dr. Savage Sep 8, 2018

It would be optimal to negotiate with an offer from Google or Facebook in year 3 at Amazon given your TC had appreciated quite a bit so you will probably enter higher as well.

Microsoft Meowth Sep 8, 2018

Im only saying you would do better at msft right now because im convinced amzn stock is insanely overvalued while i think msft valuation is more reasonable.

Amazon -XX:+AMZN Jul 30, 2020

LOL

Microsoft Charmie Sep 8, 2018

If you were to start tomorrow? You’d probably do better at Microsoft. Your WLB will be way better.