There’s a lot of conversations around racism recently, but I feel like this is completely flying under the radar. Imagine the extra pressure Asian kids feel in school right now. Imagine the entire families that are banding together, working hard and trying to set their children up for success, just to have that arbitrarily thrown away because meritocracy has fallen out of favor. I honestly think we’ll be looking back at this time for Asians at some point in the future and it will be a moral low point for the country, similar to internment camps. Relevant recent Quillette article: https://quillette.com/2021/03/24/anti-asian-discrimination-is-real-and-an-attack-on-american-values/
Could not agree more.
A lot of asians in America came here with nothing. Maybe not true of the current gen but the definitely of the gen x asians.
Uhh, there are rich blacks. Tons of 1st gen Asian and even African immigrants (specifically Nigerian) come with little money and you can see the success from the 2nd generation onward.
Anti-Asian discrimination is a problem. The title is just really bad. It’s not even close to the most impactful form of discrimination. Look at the incarceration and graduation rate of African Americans. The impact of getting into a slightly less prestigious school is minimal compared to for example being more likely to be turned away for health issues at a higher rate, being shot at a higher rate, being convicted for longer sentences for similar crimes. I’m not saying it’s an unimportant issue but have some perspective.
Incarceration rate and graduation rate are reflective of the behavior of a group. For example, the homicide rate of blacks is 20x that of asians.
Bullshit. No group of people is inherently violent and no group is inherently moral. Asians and whites would be just as violent if they had the same history as blacks. China is full of incredibly hard working students and tech workers now, and a generation or two ago they were rioting and killing one another in the cultural revolution.
Did you seriously compare getting into a slightly worse school to WW2 Japanese concentration camps? People graduating from those schools are already much better off than the average person in a very well off country and the school you go to doesn’t have that much impact on your overall success. (Harvard applicants that got in and didn’t go there did about as well as those that went)
You can justify and rationalize it all you want. I’m sure people did the same in WW2. After all the people in the camps were well taken care of. They had fine lives after WW2 ended. They turned out to be a population that thrived so it didn’t impact the group’s overall success right? I think the comparison is apt in that people at the time were gripped by a moral panic, and their knee jerk reaction was obviously racist in retrospect, but likely thought of as justified at the time. Removing qualified students from universities because of their skin color is just so obviously morally wrong. We are not going to be in the right side of history here.
No one here is arguing anti Asian discrimination is good or rationalizing anything. We’re arguing that it’s close to autistic to compare getting into a slightly less good school to a concentration camp. People were physically and mentally abused. How is that so hard to understand? The comparison is not apt in any way whatsoever. It shows how limited the range of your experience must be if this is one of the worst injustices you have ever experienced. The world is a shitty place and it’s a lot shittier for most people than you. Comparing yourself to someone who has actually suffered like this is insulting to those people and everyone who has any historical perspective/life experience.
We should set the same (relatively low) bar for all races, decide the ideal composition of the student body, and select randomly to fill it. Asians get to relax on the SAT prep, other minorities get representation, the admission standard is fair for everyone, even if it's not absolutely meritocratic.
God no. Let's not limit our population intelligence to the lowest common denominator. Let's not turn it into high school where 25% of the class understands after 5 minutes, but the teacher spends the next 45 minutes explaining it to there other 75%.
Nobody will agree what the "ideal" composition is. I agree we shouldn't incentivize people to waste their childhoods trying to prepare for meaningless tests.
Asians Americans are largely democrats, so they get what they vote for in this case.
Whites rule and white privilege will always exist. If they’re reserve seats for minorities, it’s always at the expense of each other not additive
True, it’s always a zero sum game for minorities. Whites just watch and laugh
How is it discrimination when large amounts of Asians still get admitted? There are many universities out there...
It's literally discrimination, the system is well defined. But yes, asians are still doing well in spite of it. If conservatives were responsible for such a program, they would be blamed for "normalizing" anti Asian sentiment.
What criteria defines automatic acceptance?
It should all be merit we should get rid of legacy admissions too More people get in on legacy versus affirmative action
Legacy is literal nepotism. As anti-merit as it gets
I dont fully agree with this. The idea of a meritocracy is also a form of legacy, given the USA's current circumstances If we look at institutional racism, plenty of Blacks are going to be generally in a lower socioeconomic situation... They wont have access to healthy food, educational resources etc as someone who is more well off would be. There are groups of people who are disadvantaged strictly from the family they were born inton(whites too). We need to improve their material conditions... Affirmative action is a bandaid to a bigger issue -- huge wealth inequality. When we can put forth legislation that improves a widespread group of people's material conditions and ideally cultivate a sense of community in our culture... not that hyper individualism shiz