The layoffs are result of job offshoring
All those people complaining about H1b visas and immigrants taking your jobs, this is about to get much worse. Companies realized they can hire more people for same money and pandemic showed that location doesn’t matter. I know it is not going to be sudden but it will happen. Harder it gets to hire in US, more they will hire in India and other places. Key offices and work will stay in US but a lot of work will go to other countries. I saw many people celebrating Apple’s lawsuit about settling hiring immigrants. That is just short term thinking on their part. Edit: people are missing the point that offshoring doesn’t mean the whole company moves outside. Even if they move some projects or some departments to other countries that is still lost jobs for US. Look at all the hardware related things happening in Asia and none in the US. They are not low skill jobs. Same will happen and is happening with Software too.
This has already been argued over on Blind
Give a recap, I think its true actually based on what I'm seeing
Lol. Offshoring was a huge failure in the 90s and isn't just going to magically get better. People are be forced back to offices so your argument is just wrong.
Much better technology in place now to make it happen. Faster internet and AI
I interfaced with offshores teams back then and also now It’s easily 10x better now
Compass tried this and it was a massive failure. Timezones, culture differences, and language barriers are extremely real.
Hm it’s not much better here in the USA. Things aren’t smooth just because a bunch of masters students get jobs here
Agreed… A lot of the Silicon Valley satellite offices have culture conflicts. When Google built the Boulder office, they had a hard time hiring for it because it got around the tech circles that they served dinner at the office. People thought that meant they had to stay until 5 or 6. Boulder generally starts early and finishes work around 4 most days.
And you realized this now. Congratulations...
I realized it long ago. Apple’s lawsuit settlement posts made me post this now.
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There will be more offshoring in a global economy. This means H1B rules need to be tightened to ensure US citizens and permanent residents have the opportunity to secure local jobs first (as was the intent of the 1990 legislation but did not happen).
It won't help. If the government makes stricter rules for h1b -> less talent in the market -> salaries grow -> more incentives for companies to offshore. So overall number of jobs will decrease. Even though the proportion of h1bs decrease as well. On balance I'm not sure there will be more jobs for American workers.
Why don't Chinese tech companies of shore?
Explain mandated return to office then…
Commercial Real Estate, Forced Resignation and tax breaks given to companies for office space. Next?
Lol no. Google cloud is heavily expanding in India. AwS is expanding in Mexico. All teams have EM, TPM, PM in same location. Senior EM sits out of USA. Usually Senior EM travels 2 times 1 quarter to sync in person with folks, rest of the times they sync online weekly. You are in denial if you think this isn't going to work for companies.
You’ve been arguing that you can get the job done from home and from anywhere. Now the bosses are convinced.
It's not like "You need to be in the office to work" would have prevented opening offices in India. Nothing has changed except they're leveraging the current market fears about recession as an excuse to further outsource jobs.
This. People forgot about "what you say can and will be used you" during COVID and are now paying price.