It seems bootcamps have gotten exponentially more popular since 2014, to the point where your lowly customer service call center rep can be found in one. This is compounded by the relative ease to get a scholarship. So far the big reason people want to get a software engineer job is "people are hiring and I'm an English major" or "it seems like a sweet gig with the casual clothes and free food". Thoughts? Are our EE/CS degrees overvalued and see they even necessary for 90% of jobs?
"Lowly", "these people". Someone learns a new skill to better themselves and you find a reason to look down on them. They'll get engineering jobs if they can pass a technical interview. Simple as that.
Yes, but why do they get to take a shortcut because they weren't successful in the first place? What incentive do I have to even get a tough engineering degree if I can do the same by taking a 90 day class? What value does the degree bring?
I think you missed the point, BB. Market does not care how long you stayed in school, market cares about whether you can pass the bar to get job done. Everyone has different paths in life. A degree means your younger self made a right decision and provides a higher probablity that you could secure a good job.
20% will be able to do something long term. 80% won’t make it.
It really depends on the bootcamp. No bootcamp grad is going to walk out knowing the details of the Linux kernel or have implemented a garbage collector, and I wouldn't hire someone straight from a bootcamp to run a security audit. I see good bootcamp grads as coming out of the box with the skills to develop application code and the drive to learn fast and get better.
English majors seem to do quite well in tech. Is it the communication skills?
I graduated from a coding bootcamp and have been successful. Years after graduating, almost everyone in my graduating class is still employed as a software engineer. None of the students in my cohort had previously worked as software engineers, and the vast majority had taken 0-2 classes in programming. I chose to go to a bootcamp because there was no CS program at my college, and I only realized at the end of my junior year (in my first programming class) that I love programming, and wanted to pursue it as a career. Google has hired over 40 grads from my bootcamp, who still work there as SWE's. A few of us work as SWE's at all of the top tech companies. My bootcamp was founded by an ex Google SWE and we efficiently learned exactly the most relevant skills in 12 weeks (which definitely isn't true of all coding bootcamps). It only makes sense: if someone can succeed as a self-taught SWE, why not as a bootcamp grad and everything else between a 4-year CS degree and being self-taught? More to the point, why does it bother you?
Ivx372 what bootcamp did you go to? Looking for recommendations.
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Also there is a huge variance in boot camp constituency. I was flipping through some linkedin profiles of a famous Bay Area one and literally every. single. person. was a Stanford PhD dropout.
This is unrelated to your point but it almost seems like a good idea to get into Stanford just to drop out and then say you're a Stanford drop-out
Haha brilliant!
Supply and demand thing. You can hate it but if there is demand, what can you do?
This post reeks of entitlement, if I'm hiring someone I don't give a shit about which college they went to or how long they studied for. I just want to know if they are smart and can get stuff done. I'd even prefer someone who had some experience outside the tech bubble since their head probably wouldn't be as far up their own ass as most of the 'tech elite' on blind
As a hardware guy i want to say the same thing about you young software kids, the same way you look down on those boot camp kids.
Contract blackbox QA are the only jobs for boot camp folks.
To be fair, that is still a huge jump from the jobs these people used to do