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Before anyone gets upset, I am of Indian descent. I am asking this because I recently went to Bali. Bali practices Hinduism and my mind was blown because it was so clean. It's something you unfortunately don't see in India. It made me wonder why India went the way it did in terms of being not clean and at one point in history, was it ever clean? I know roughly up to 1700s, India was an economic superpower having roughly 20% of the world economic GDP. Have past travelers in history mentioned the state of cleanliness of India?
In almost every account of travellers going back to the early 1500s , India was described as crowded and smelly . I think it’s very important to assess the past without modern context , England was smelly as hell too , people didn’t shower regularly back then .
New York was smelly, streets buried in horse shit I hate manure - Biff
TBF New York is still smelly
Thanks. Hate posters are very active today? Is it Friday affect? I had a friend in London who used to tell me how all the mosques had sermons against India and Indians during weekly Friday prayers. Seems very much connected.
Yes and no. Societies decay with mismanagement just as they prosper with stable rule. Mid-Gupta empire was regarded as having been very clean and orderly, while that probably wasn’t the case after periods of strife, poverty, and warfare following the mongol invasions of 1200s. I’d check out the interpretations of Al-Biruni or Fa-Hien for slices of perspective.
A decay in basic living conditions caused by systemic mismanagement over time naturally erodes culture. The opposite is also true. They influence each other.
I don't know about cleanliness. But I know it was a rich land with wealth, culture, and education. The history of Takshila university is so fascinating and I still feel sad we lost so much knowledge there. I would love to read history books of the ancient India, as described by foreign explorers. Any recommendations?
No. I believe they’ve been doing the needful in that river for millennia.
Kindly
It is a good question, if you see older pics of Calcutta from 1800s they don’t look very dirty. I THINK, the sudden influx of population and generations of abject poverty in 1900s led to this. Note that cleanliness is a luxury when your basic needs are not met. I am hopeful that we will see improvement over next couple of decades as the population growth subsides and the country becomes more wealthy.
At some point it was not populated yet, so yeah.
There is a lot of trauma in the Indian population because of centuries of barrage of attacks from the invaders - Turks, Persians, Brits. When you have trauma, you spend a LOT of time coping. Think of it as a mental injury. Just like when you have a physical injury, you can't work as well as someone who doesn't have a physical injury, it's a similar thing with mental injury aka trauma. A population that spends so much time coping and surviving - doesn't prioritize beautifying their surroundings. And then there is of course the obvious lack of resources, which get allocated to more pressing matters like building the necessary infra. Beautification is usually done from surplus. We were barely ever in surplus up until 1991. I am optimistic about the future. Swatch Bharat abhiyan is a step in the right direction. The newer crop of people are shedding the trauma, and we will see a cleaner India going forward
That’s a lots of words to say “India is dirty”. You could just say it directly bro. Not questioning your observation, but you are definitely a manager material.
India is dirty I’ll get banned for this Idc
He just wants to keep thems blind account