Twilio offer eval
Current TC - 230k+lots of paper money at a startup in a role I really like but the company is shaky. Work at Twilio is interesting but offer seems low. Role is Staff MLE. Unfortunately no competing offers atm. 8 YOE.
People on here really thinking an 85k bump is low
That's without the paper money though
You’d expect more for staff ML.
They can afford to lowball you because they know you are currently at a trash tier company. Get competing offers if you want the hiring manager to get serious about the negotiation. You and I can check levels.fyi, so can hiring managers and recruiters.
Getting competing offers is not easy in current market.
Definitely not easy for trash tier candidates. The market wont get better for people like them any time soon.
Didn’t know twilio has such low comp for staff equivalent positions, especially for MLE. This comp is like L4 equivalent package at some companies. You may want to interview more.
This is a low ball offer probably in a low cost of living area. Twilio staff offers can get up to 500k
500k staff offer at Twilio in this market seems like a fairytale even for HCOL.
Take it if you don't have a better choice, with Twilio staff mle eng on your resume, you are on track to earn 500k+ on next job
With lowball offers when you don’t have other offers your only choice is to make it up. Lie and tell them you have another offer which is better. Check our levels.fyi. Tell them that they are your favorite company, but you can’t leave money on the table. If they don’t offer more, tell them you decided to join regardless the pay cut as you love them.
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Buddy check levels.fyi and h1bdata on staff offers at twilio and do some negotiation. People were getting $475K staff offers at Twilio in VHCOL, or at least in the $400Ks in this markets. $315K feels super low ball unless you're in LCOL like Montana or something
Twilio staff is actually a senior swe level. AFAIK, they giving max around 400k. To get more like old days, you need to get approval from vp level
Twillio is a shit show we had 2 rounds of layoffs and mgmt has no clue on how to develop a software product. Go elsewhere.
This. Don't join twilio in it's current shape
Au contrary, The best time to be in Twilio is now when the ship is getting steadied. Most wealth is made when there is a gap between expectation and opportunity.
A few things are important: 1. Are you anywhere but HCOL area? If so that plays a part. 2. The market has absolutely changed. It'll be a while before the old insane offers are common again, if ever. $315k is a lot of money. 3. As someone else mentioned, Twilio staff is more like snr SWE. It's more like L5/E5 at Google/Meta. Given the expected scope and changing market conditions, as long as you're not in a HCOL area this is a fair offer. You're getting almost a 50% bump in real money.
YOE?
Edited post, 8 YOE