Was interviewing at a big tech company they were offering 200k just for Devops role, I did research in theoretical cryptography and I see staff security folks at Linkedin/Uber making 500k for just knowing the implementation standards of security stuff. People are getting paid millions of dollars for knowing things that someone else could also do just given experience, most work requires almost no talent. I feel at least companies like Vmware, Juniper, Intel some teams at Google are at least doing some interesting engineering challneges by writing compilers working on scheduling algorithms but most big tech app based companies are doing shit but getting piad because of free market, it is so bittersweet.
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I would think that this is about what you would like to do, right?
I agree but comeon paying 200 k just because you have expereince of using jenkins, docker and bazel is so sad
I think you answered the question. The companies are willing to pay that much to get that combination. And it’s not easy to get these reqs fulfilled
Sometimes u gotta agree life is easy
I see but life is so easy and unchallenging it feels sad
Don’t worry, it cannot be always this easy
Someone else could do those things given the right experience, but obviously not enough people actually do have the experience or knowledge, so it's valuable even if trivial.
That is precisely why are getting paid and it is so sad when I think about it. Experience is everything talent almost nothing.
That’s like a bad thing? Talent is what you win in a genetic lottery, experience is earned
Knowing industry grade crypto standards and security practices are not trivial. They might just sit in a few meetings but their impact is huge. You get paid according to impact you make. Not for working hard. Otherwise day laborer hailing things would make millions.
From someone who did research in crypto and have papers there, it is a question of experience thats all. Sure you need a basic aptitude but that aptitude is even less than an LC medium. I totally agree you are paid based upon the value of your work and that is so sad most of the work is valuable is tough not because it is hard its just because you need experience. In situations like this you realize that if faang is allowing more underrepresented groups it wont make a difference, because its not like we are doing anything hard which needs talent given enough experience residents will also pick up and be good at their jobs.
I believe you heard that story with a guy with a hammer who knows where to tap. That knowing where to tap aka experience isn’t cheap. There isn’t a shortcut of that. Please don’t use lc as a standard for everything. It’s insulting.
Security veterans get paid a lot because they’ve seen a lot of shit. It’s no different than the grandpa lawyer that gets paid $1500/hr even though he takes contracts off the shelf and makes the associates do the hard work.
It’s a bubble, when it pops a lot of people will wonder how crazy it was. Reminds me of finance in 06-07 when 22 year old fresh grads barely showed up to work and got 60k bonuses. They all got fired 2 years later but it was great while it lasted.
17 years is a long time for a bubble.
Not 17 years. The crazy TC increases have been over the last ~5 years
What does a CEO of a big company do that's worth millions per year? I really don't know, are they doing orders of magnitude more work than us? Are they doing more work than CEOs of no name tiny companies that are just making it or do those CEOs actually work harder and get paid less? It's all about selling yourself and having skills people value. Currently programming is something people will pay good money for someone to do. Who cares if it feels trivial to you. I can easily change my car's oil but I'm happy to pay someone to do it for me because I hate working on cars. To a mechanic most jobs are trivial and most of them make decent money too.
About the ceo, some ceos are clearly better and also lucky. For eg Jeff Bezos and how he pivoted amazon into so many different segments I agree you are paid for the value but it feels so sad to get paid very good money when you are not using even your 10% talent you are just getting paid because you showed up at the right place at the right time
Supply and demand
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The tech work I do isn’t too hard, but the political crap I have to deal with is draining and stressful. But I do it for the TC, and the joy of seeing terrible people who wronged me at work making mistakes that will cause their departure.
You don’t get paid just for doing difficult stuff. You get paid for doing things that people buy. If it is something difficult as well, you get paid a lot because only a few know how to do it. That’s how free market works, good or bad. Otherwise we wouldn’t have astrophysicists making peanuts for doing incredibly difficult sh!t
I agree and thats why i feel sad and bittersweet
I know what you mean. I transitioned to SW after doing some difficult stuff in grad school because I got to pay my mortgage and put kids through college. Now I work with kids who think they are masters of the universe for having solved a Lc hard, and I just live with it because the bills need to be paid 😉