Been here at FB for ~2 years and here the cons and pros of Facebook: Cons - no ethics, no morals at Facebook. - coworkers are the most selfish bunch I have seen. - No WLB. You work to make zuck rich. - Constant reorgs. I had 2 managers so far. 3 coworkers left. 1 left because he thinks FB is morally bankrupt. 1 had burnout, other was fired, all in 2 years. Pros: - Great TC. Lots of $$$. Making $400k+ - Lots of prestige in Bay Area and among friends/family. - Free food, great campus. I have worked in lower-tier places before (Intel) but found them to be better than FB. Why is FB prestigious? Are other top-tier company same as FB?
3 coworkers leaving in 2 years is not a lot for any company
At Intel, I left after 4 years. I rarely saw anyone leaving Intel before 3 years.
Just because it’s harder for your colleagues at Intel to get offers outside.
It's whatever you want it to be. Some self-proclaimed "real programmer" who knows Spring and works at Albertsons claims that Netflix isn't tier 1 because Netflix doesn't use Spring.
I define tier by the "talent" flow between companies. You lose N points (where N is the engineering level) for every engineer that moves from your company to a competitor. You gain N points for everyone you poach assuming non-founders. FB is a higher tier than Google because the # of people going from G->F is larger than F->G. G is higher than MS for the same reason. Assuming everyone acts fairly rationally, all other metrics such as $$, prestige, WLB is implicitly encapsulated by this metric.
G is 3x larger than F, so one naturally should expect that a larger number (e.g. 3x more) leave from G to F than vice-versa. Edit: As response to below, people will often apply to both F and G for generalist positions. With 30k-100k employees, they are both "large" companies, and people won't be deterred from applying on the basis of "too few positions available."
You can’t calculate tier this way because it isn’t transitive.
Trillion dollar market 🧢 only tier that matters
Does it matter? TC at MSFT is not as good as Amazon
It’s a joke, how are things at nowadays (serious)
Prestigious shit
Finally, a Facebook employee that’s damn straight to the point.
Can you elaborate on FB workers being selfish? I haven’t heard enough of that.
People will only help you if it helps their PSC/review. Infact, people bluntly tell you that.
I’ve heard it described this way which I thought was a compelling way to look at it. Companies are reflections of the founders and their origin story. Google was founded by Stanford CS grad students and very much has a culture like a computer science research department. Facebook grew rapidly and is highly focused on the user (and less than on the technology per se). “Top tier company” is kinda bullshit imo. I think people in SV like to talk about that to masturbate their egos. In a way it’s sad that some people derive so much self worth from their employer rather than something more meaningful like actual accomplishments. If you want to talk about it more objectively, you can personally define it by factors like compensation, amount of innovation, market dominance, quality of employees, etc. IMO, prestige is pretty low in my priority. The other factors play a much bigger role in job satisfaction.
Adding to this, if a person's biggest accomplishment is working at X company, then it means they haven't really accomplished much in their career. On the other hand, a person that makes a company prestigious for being able to be able to hire them...
Well put. There’s also this fake pride that I’ve noticed among my fellow engineers at least (I’m in eng too) where they start thinking they’re the best in the world just because their comp got 3xed from their previous job. Don’t tie your identity to your compensation / company.
Intel better than Facebook?? In what ways? I'm in kind of a crappy Dept, and getting anything done is super painful. I want to go somewhere where my co-workers at least seem to know what they're doing.
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Facebook is thought of as prestigious because it has a high bar, and pays well. But as you mentioned, it’s an unethical company that overworks its employees. That to me is enough to rule it out as tier 1.
How is Microsoft? Do you feel overworked or Microsoft is unethical?
Overworked? At Microsoft? 😂😂😂. The only exception would be Azure. We are more neutral than anything. We don’t take strong stances on many issues other than those absolutely fundamental to our business.