Suddenly everyone is talking about some Reddit strike/blackout/revolt. I don't use Reddit, but am trying to understand what's going on. If I understand correctly, the company is now charging for API access, forcing some free 3rd party reader apps to shut down. The website is still fully usable to users through a browser and the official app, where Reddit gets money from ads. But those cloud servers hosting the forum are not free to maintain and operate and the free access was basically paid for with the company's investors' money. This was never sustainable. I see tons of outrage, but everyone is talking over themselves and can't get the reasoning. Can someone calm tell me what is all the fuss about?
There’s like 50 articles about this online. You’ve got the same search engines we’ve got.
Jeeves told them to ask us
All the results are in privated Reddit subs 🤪
They’re doing an Elon and shutting down free api access. This breaks third party clients and most moderation tools and moderators are blacking out large parts of the site until Reddit management gets their head out of their asses and gives them api access again so they can do their jobs effectively. The official app is also appalling and 3rd party users are rightly annoyed at losing their preferred client. The CEO also revealed he’s a massive sociopath dickhead, which is just inflaming the situation further
There’s a free tier for the ones who want to run pet projects. For any serious app, the freeloading ended. It was reddits users and content, why anyone would assume they get it for free is astounding. The official app is good enough. Reddit needs money to create a better app, this is one way to monetize.
The official app is horrible, so horrible that I’d rather quit Reddit that use it. It feels like it’s designed to purposely slow you down (and show you ads).
tl;dr : The official app sucks and takes away moderation tools. /r/cscareerquestions was the OG blind, just not as toxic. The salary thread there was what made me realize that I was wasting away my skills in a deadbeat industry.
Why don’t people complain that Meta doesn’t have free / cheap APIs so that people can build better unofficial Facebook and Instagram apps?
Because meta has a top quality mobile team and their apps were never offensively bad like reddits. There’s nothing 3rd part developers could bring on metas platforms that meta isn’t already doing better because they take mobile seriously
Because meta didn’t offer it then snatch it away when it already had millions of users
It's going to end in most of the mods driven away and AI doing the job instead. GPT can absolutely do a great job of moderation with far fewer mods. They'll close the API, because it's a) a vector for others to scrape and train LLMs, b) a way around ad veneue and c) spez is taking this bad boy public. Mods will lose this one.
It’s just Reddit mods power tripping like usual, pretty obnoxious if you ask me
I liked the internet better when all the shit on Reddit was spread across many online forums. Most of those are dead now though. I’d happily go back.
Unfortunately some of them will move to discords or similar which won't be indexible and cant be found via search engines.
I thought it was better as well. I think the old forums felt more like unique communities compared to a subreddit. Some niche subreddits are OK, but super mods and reddit hive mind seem to overrun a lot of subreddits. I know there are some local/state subreddits that once were normal, but now might as well be political subs.
Reddit has improved dramatically over the past couple days with all the whiney people boycotting. It's far less of an echo chamber cesspool now.
Moderators use 3rd party apps to moderate dozens/hundreds of subs. Those 3rd party apps make it easier to moderate,therefore content control/power is in a small number of moderators. 3rd party API calls have now become expensive. This threatens the moderators ability to maintain control and power, therefore they are rebelling by making the subs they moderate private and inaccessible to the general public/reddit users.
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The problem wasn’t that they started charging for API access, it was mostly about how expensive it was. From what I know there was 0 free tier, and one of the 3rd party apps was told they can expect to pay $20M/yr
Apollo for Reddit. Apollo, Narwhal and a few others have better ux than the actual app. They bring in more users to the platform but now they are getting locked out due to high expense.
There are free tiers for accessibility apps since blind people can not use official app yet and mod tools. There are certain number of API calls per minute that is free to run some experimental app if you want. Apollo needed more time to optimize those calls to bring prices way down from 20M/yr. But dev decided to shut the app up instead. Also the apps can easily cover the price with $2/ month from users but do not want to do that either. Frankly the whole situation has been handled poorly by many different parties.