Work VisaApr 2, 2021
Airbnbwise taco°

What's the best way for the government to select H1-B applications?

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kraft-m&c Apr 2, 2021

None of them are fair. Only fair solution is to stop h1b program all together. No program, no unfairness.

Bloomberg bb_mike_lo Apr 2, 2021

The solution to save planet from climate change is blow the whole planet?

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kraft-m&c Apr 2, 2021

True, that is a possible solution, probably not a desired one.

Microsoft jpha26 Apr 2, 2021

Order them by occupation importance and the salary adjusted for area (accounting for how much the area needs people from thst occupation).

Airbnb wise taco° OP Apr 2, 2021

But how you'd rank importance and quantify need?

Microsoft jpha26 Apr 2, 2021

That would definitely be tricky. Maybe by checking the number of new grads for that field yearly vs the number of new jobs created. A similar thing is already done with doctors. There is a visa type for doctors who go to rural areas.

LinkedIn Z2zzz Apr 2, 2021

Salary is a terrible way, destroys all the opportunities outside cs

Amazon L-1A? Apr 2, 2021

Eh? You do know that new proposed wage based system checks salary based on profession right? It’s not like a CS background person is competing with a doctor or an industrial engineer or an environmental engineer.

Coherent Logix Alpha_7 Apr 2, 2021

Hardware generally pays lower than software. But hardware at software companies get paid a lot more. Are they more deserving only because they joined certain companies?

Veeva pleasantov Apr 2, 2021

How about building a model to predict propensity to get H1B ? Features can include salary, company, domain of work etc. Training data can be past H1B approvals(and not lottery selections).

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kraft-m&c Apr 2, 2021

Lottery selections and approvals are highly correlated. So, your training data is basically lottery outcomes, output will be as good as random I’d bet.

Veeva pleasantov Apr 2, 2021

I am not sure about that. RFE and denial rate for WITCH and startups is much higher than Amazon/Facebook. So I would say there is an inherent bias in that. Approvals should be better as target variable I feel.

Blue Cross Blue Shield xwizard Apr 2, 2021

Why have a limit. Raise the approval criteria if you wish but make it points based (salary could be one among many of the factors) and eliminate the lottery altogether. The lottery is just a stupid and lazy way to select people. It's like a company choosing employees randomly from a pool of applicants without actually interviewing them. The visas should be subject to the monthly changing labor market requirement and current government's economic outlook not some arbitrary fixed number like 65,000/year. Do something like what Canada does with Express Entry but better and considering more factors for points. Also while you're at it, remove the 6 year limit on H1B and please allow visa stamp renewals while staying within the USA. It's all so fucking stupid. Obama had proposed something like this at the beginning of his term, but it never got anywhere.

National Airlines Ayanokōji Apr 2, 2021

Might sound crazy but how about a point system balancing between masters + wage + work ex + time in us?

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a69z Apr 19, 2021

So like Canada

Amazon 2CLdnV Apr 2, 2021

Many countries have point based systems where if you're in a highly skilled domain the country currently needs more of (eg. specific types of medical staff, engineers, software developers), if you have the qualifications you're in, and if you're in a high demand area with less urgent need, you're higher on the list. Education, years of relevant experience, years working in the country can all contribute to the point score, and quotas can be adjusted semi-annually based on need.

Course Hero JVII73 Apr 2, 2021

Not select them at all. Plenty of citizens out there.

Coherent Logix Alpha_7 Apr 2, 2021

Maybe you should go ahead & tell them to get the required qualifications. It was weird to hardly see any Americans in my classes. (One of the best schools in the US for my domain.) Made me wonder what did everyone do after highschool.

Course Hero JVII73 Apr 3, 2021

1st you need to gtfo

Google drakez Apr 2, 2021

There can never a 100% perfect solution. What works best is this - only direct employment ( no consulting, no Third party placements) - descend by wage with exceptions made for new grads appropriately - extra points for American degree - maybe an extra incentive to move to cities like Detroit to boost the local economy That’s it. Nothing else. This will eliminate the lottery and every other issue.

Blue Cross Blue Shield xwizard Apr 2, 2021

I agree that bad consulting firms and third party placement firms need to be disciplined and reigned in. But restricting the H1B only to full time employment only will be detrimental to the economy. Many smaller companies and government agencies across the US do not need or cannot afford to hire IT personnel all year round. They in turn use IT consulting firms (some genuine and respectable ones) to fill these roles which are staffed by people on a work visa. Focus on eliminating fraud, not killing the business.

Blue Cross Blue Shield xwizard Apr 2, 2021

Also, the selection shouldn't be completely wage based. See my answer above for more details.

Expedia Group hdhsgsv Apr 2, 2021

Score based(us degree level+ # years work experience in usa + age + wage level)