At first I was surprised at Zelensky being demanding of its allies for help. I mean you can ask for help but beggars can’t be choosers right? Lately you even have Ukraine taking Poland to the WTO over Poland’s grain ban. Usually you wouldn’t do that to an ally who is still helping you survive in an ongoing war. But I think this can be explained if we accept the premise that NATO pushed Zelensky to provoke Russia into this war. If NATO had pushed Ukraine into this then NATO is obligated to help them and Ukraine’s demanding attitude makes sense. If NATO did not push Ukraine into the war and this was just Russia launching an unprovoked attack on Ukraine, then NATO is not obligated to help Ukraine and Ukraine and Ukraine would only be making an unforced error with its demanding attitude towards NATO allies. So in other words, I think Ukraine’s attitude towards NATO suggests that NATO must have goaded Ukraine into provoking Russia into this war. What do you think of this theory?
Yeah I think they were forced to go to war on natos behalf hence the demands now
Not likely. US and NATO even publicly shared intel warning about Russia mounting an invasion that Putin kept denying until it happened.
I think it sounds a lot like Russia's theory, funny how that lines up.
So you are saying NATO made Ukraine, provoke to such an extent that Russia brought soldiers to Kyiv. If Ukraine willingly did this, then it was really a very stupid decision, otherwise Ukraine was blindsided by NATO and is now getting their ass kicked. Or maybe Putin is really gone mad, and just attacking for the fun of it. So many possibilities
NATO pushed Ukraine into war. Not coerced but influenced is the right word. I thought that was well established by now. Ukraine wouldn't have tried to standup to Russia over some border skirmish if it didn't have NATO support.
I'm sorry, what actions did Ukraine take to start a war?
The border skirmish between Ukraine Russia has been going on for decades. Previous president played nice with Russia, zelinsky did not, that's the only difference. Zelinsky was influenced by NATO.
Zelensky is burning bridges for sure with European allies. But Dems are happy to oblige whatever he wants. Oh well. Good for my job security I guess.
And bad for our taxes
Yeah. Ds have been beefing with Russia since Syria proxy war under Obama. Biden probably still mad over it
Your logic is this that Ukraine “pushed” Russia to start a wars with itself? Have you seen how destroyed the cities have become? Why would a sovereign country want another country to invade it? Wouldn’t they rather launch an offensive so the destruction happens on the other countries cities not their own? Have you paid attention to anything that has happened in the last year? This is just dumb.
I see it all but isn’t it weird that Ukraine is so demanding and acting so b**tchy towards the very countries that are saving it? Like if we didn’t owe them something, I don’t see why Ukraine would act like this? It’s almost like we are somewhat responsible for the war breaking out.
Amazon, Zelenskyy was an actor and have no vision. It is sheer stupidity that Zelenskyy provoked Russia, by claiming to want to join NATO whose goal is to contain Russia, and also the conflicts in Donbas. Zelenskyy provoked without the ability to defend his country. Extreme stupidity in my opinion.
In few years we may see a scam or that he and his generals brought an island
What an ignorant post
Ukraine gave up their nukes expecting their sovereignty and security to be ensured. Just imagine if they didn’t.
But didn’t Ukraine lack the ability to use those nukes? Russia still held the keys to the nukes even if Ukraine kept them.
OP is clearly Russian. Russian technology is bullshit and you need no keys to detonate. Most of the "progress" in the Russian tech sector is stolen from either Germany or the US.
Survival on the line, maybe?
If survival is be on the line, shall they consider negotiations? Therefore I doubt its the case
Some people have dignity, it might be a new concept to others.