Would you support and/or join a union at your company?
Society clearly needs more unions. The demonisation thereof has been going on for long enough. Unions should not just be for blue Color jobs but very much also for white collar workers.
I have a significant issue with unions, although open to education as I’m not an expert. I feel they create a lot of poor feedback loops for creating a performant work environment. Pay becomes less of a motivator for good performance. Bart is a prime example of this. Low skilled workers making 6 figure salaries and no incentive to do a great job. Is this a fundamental problem with unions or a poor implementation of a union?
I have issue paying union fee and letting union leaders making millions. They should all be volunteers.
> Society clearly needs more unions. Bullshit in. What do you expect out?
For a case study look into how video game developers are treated in a market with record revenue.
Game developers definitely have a choice of where they get to work. They are incredibly talented. I don’t feel bad
NOR join. Unions are pirates.
As Someone who has been in unions for many years and now is a software engineer I vote no on unions. The only thing they do is protect people that are going to slack and abuse the system. People that do their jobs and do what 99% of people do every day have no benefits from them. I understand why some people in certain parts of the industry think they would help like gaming and such. And it may in there cases, but I don’t see it benefiting the entire tech community. The best thing people in those situations could do is GTFO. Just my 2 cents.
Are you at Dassault Systemes in United States?
In all other civilised societies unions are an actual thing. So yes. And all across Europe Dassault Systèmes is unionised.
Look at where unions thrive, it's all blue collar uneducated unskilled work. Educated workforce can fight for themselves because demand for highly skilled workers outstrips supply
Educated workforce can fight for themselves. This
While you can still be productive at 50 and 60, you shouldn’t have to worry about your employer axing you for not moving up to management if you really don’t want to, or just don’t have the skill set. Union guys learn to use new tools and adhere to additional safety regulations as they come out. But don’t look at someone who stays in the same position at the same company for 40 years as if they’re doing something WRONG. Unions, if anything, are an avenue to do exactly this, if you want. I’m not sure it would bring benefits to already highly paid workers, unless somehow you applied only select parts of the typical contract - like layoffs occurring in order of inverse seniority, or recall rights (they have to call YOU if they hire again within X years). The top paid cop in SF made almost half a million dollars last year. A lot of that was overtime. If they use a final pay formula with OT figured in, he might retire with a $200k pension. Now imagine taking that to South Carolina! I’m a union member and I will say a lot of what we do is based on red tape. Stopping the employer from cutting benefits for current employees, and instead applying only to new hires. Stopping employers from raising the productivity bar every year when you haven’t gotten a true raise, only inflation, which is already outpaced by the free market. Everyone can’t be a business owner with robots that do the work of 3 employees. It would result in rampant unemployment and we’d end up like the fucking people on WALL-E who never leave their recliners. Trusting an employer without a union is like trusting a bathroom with only a hand drier. SOMEONE is going to spread shit and everyone else is going to pay for it.
This is a form of socialist ideology that, for some reason, many Americans support it. Money and security, I guess?
Lol... for some reason... a reason like if you were in the mid-century generation you worked in a factory and lived in a tenement until unionization when you gained enough income and time to move to the suburbs and build equity to send your kids to college on? Funny, these American millennials, putting their material interests above hysterical moral warnings of “socialism!”.
Lmao skilled workers have trade groups, not unions. I'm okay with something like the AMA or Bar for engineering. Unions? Hell no.
If analogous to AMA... pushing to arbitrarily raise entrance requirements for CS programs to keep talent scarce and TC high?
Yup. Artificial scarcity is what keeps skilled workers highly paid, not collective bargaining. How this will play out when so much of the workforce is on H1b visas is anyone's guess though.
Ideally tech workers would be salary non exempt. Paid for 40 even if it takes less time but paid overtime unless they specifically want comp days.