#remotework #wfh https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/hybrid-work-models-could-hurt-remote-workers-zillow-ceo-warns-2021-2%3famp Anyone else think that working totally remotely will hurt their careers in the long run?
If youâre a SWE I think youâll be fine WFH permanent. If your goal is to rise up into management or leadership then I do think it will hold you back to some degree (on average, obviously at certain companies you can manage remotely since they are all remote).
Don't you think low visibility can put you on PIP? Even if you can be fine doing your own work remotely?
You have to create a âpaper trailâ of your work.
Ask yourself this: what does Zillow benefit from high demand and low supply on housing? Remote working is bad for a company who depends on overpriced real estate markets. Truth: it wonât impact your career. Good companies would have processes in place to ensure productivity and measuring contributions. Reality is unless you physically sit next to everyone you work with then you work remote (aka via a computer)
You don't think someone that comes into the office 3~5 days per week isn't going to be treated better/given higher raise (on average) versus someone your supervisor/team lead has seen maybe a handful of times (maybe never) in person?
Nope. As long as you connect and openly track your progress you shouldnât have any issues. Cisco has tools in place for this. I know teams where their manager doesnât even live in the same part of the country.
This really isnât controversial. Clearly youâd rather promote and work with someone who you can talk to in person and have lunch with to build trust.
I'd rather promote or work with people who deliver results. I don't care where they are, how much or little they work, or what hours. I try not to let such bias govern my thinking, and keep it objective: did we get shit done together, and were they (hopefully not) a jerk.
@Microsoft I wish more supervisors had similar stance like yours. Sadly, I don't think that is the case with the majority...
I think he's making a fair point. It will impact roles differently though. So if there are quantifiable ways to justify a promotion there will be less impact. However absent that a big part of promotions is trust. Trust that you can handle the new responsibilities, etc. And trust is more easily built with in person interactions. That said if your team is totally remote then it's less of an issue but for a mixed team where leadership comes in - it will have an impact. Even if just subconscious.
The context is that for companies that try a hybrid approach, this will likely happen. People in the office will get preferential treatment, be able to speak more during meetings, etc. He is stating why a fully remote workforce is superior to that.
From the article: Zillow isn't the only tech-driven company considering a hybrid model of work. Google CEO Sundar Pichai has said he expects Google to adopt a hybrid approach, but was clear that the future definitely includes some in-office work. "We firmly believe that in-person, being together, having that sense of community, is super important for whenever you have to solve hard problems, you have to create something new," he said during a video interview for Time 100 in September. "So we don't see that changing, so we don't think the future is just 100% remote or something."
Dunno what Google has to do with zillow.
Makes sense, my teammates don't even show their face in the meetings anymore. I wouldn't know who I'm working withđĽ
I'm all for a hybrid, but completely optional approach. As in I go into the office or WFH at my liking. I don't want to be totally remote forever, but I don't want to have a "weekly quota" of WFH days either. I want to strategically choose when is better for my career to WFH vs in office. I don't care if I don't get a dedicated desk. I might be completely remote for a couple of weeks and then in office for other weeks. Point is, we should have the freedom to control it. Whether it hurts out career or not is our problem. We're grown ass adults and should know how to handle that.
Agreed. Thereâs a reason why Dropbox isnât allowing work onsite at all. Onsite workers means not everyone had the same experience, and one set will inevitably be advantaged.
All remote workers will probably just have to make an extra effort.
Yes it will. You weâll be left out of a lot of conversations and will not have visibility
Not true. You can show visibility through writing docs, presentation etc. Linux was entirely developed remotely. Do you think Linus Torvalds has less visibility?
Entirely remote is a whole different deal