Three offers in hand. The primary motivation here is to transition to a remote PM role. Which do you recommend and why? Etsy (Sr. Product Manager) Base: $175,000 Bonus: $17,500 Stock: 340k/4 years TC: 278k MSFT (L64 Sr. Product Manager) Base: $186k Bonus: $28k Sign on: 15k Stock: 125k/4 years TC: $266k (may double sign on to match other offers) Zoom (Sr Product Manager) Base $190k Bonus: $15k Stock: 300k/4 years TC: 280k Current TC (Sr. TPM) Base:$140 Stock: 100k/ this year only TC:240k YOE: 5 years @ AMZ. 3/PM 2/TPM
Yoe?
5 years @ Amazon. 3 as a PM and 2 as a TPM.
You are already making 260 and with the current offers I see them avg around 280. You need to negotiate way more. At lease get 50-100k more. Market is hot and you are a senior now ! Know your worth. Negotiate more and get paid better ! You did all the hard work to interview and get these offers. You deserve better !!
MSFT is that $125k total or per yr? For total seems very small
Yea it’s total. It feels like they’re very bonus heavy which is causing the stock grants to come in lower then the other two companies.
Is this l63 or l64? And this is confirmed to be remote, or is this Bay Area? Reason I ask is the base seems L64, but the stocks seem low l63, but if you are in the Bay Area I can see the 186 base. If it’s l63 you can get that stock package up to 200, if it’s l64 you can do more.
5 YOE overall or 5 just at Amazon? Just curious
5 @ Amazon. I have 12 overall, but 7 of those are non tech relating specifically to a particular domain.
Would love to hear the thoughts on why individuals are in support or against MSFT and Etsy.
L64 is a good level to start with and will give you leverage into principal sooner. MSFT is known for WLB.
Thanks for the warm and fuzzies 😆
You shouldn’t even consider zoom as an option.
It’s actually the first elimination in my mind lol. With the stock price instability plus some subtle concerns I have with the role. Especially considering Etsy has essentially matched the offer with better benefits. The decision there is logical. I’m curious why the zoom votes are beating Etsy. Maybe it’s just because the base is higher?
Maybe people are expecting the meme effect of ZM might come back again. But with offices opening up and a business that anyone replicate easily, ZM would go back to precovid era.
Heavily dependent on what team you join at Zoom. You can expect to work with your China counterparts at non business hours
How are MSFTs target annual awards communicated on the offer letter and should that really be included in the TC? Essentially I have a target annual award provided to me (although small) with 1/5 of it vesting EOY 1. Is this a high confidence estimate and should I really include this in the TC?
What is the level at zoom that you got the offer for?
Actually don’t know the granular details. I ended up declining the zoom offer primarily as a result of scope.
Closing the loop here. I was able to negotiate with MSFT to match Zoom/Etsy and accepted the offer. Zoom last minute added a 20k signing bonus but was after I accepted the MSFT offer.
MSFT will give a good brand on resume
I concur with that. At this stage though I feel less concerned about brand recognition and more focused on finding the right balance regarding quality of life and pay. How do you feel regarding your wlb and overall experience with the company?
WLB pretty good all over. Maybe 15% of teams not that good