Tech IndustryAug 15, 2020
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Zoox 2.0 offer evaluation

Help me figure out this offer at Zoox 2.0 (post Amazon acquisition) in Bay area, CA. MS + 3.5 YOE base: 150k stocks: 75k AMZN (3 yrs vesting) Zoox SARs (ZARs): 45k units sign-on: 20k Current TC: 160k I feel the offered TC is low given that there is no mention of ESPP, 401k match, annual bonus, or equity refresher. I’m hoping for a 30% increase in current TC and hence trying to reach TC ~210k I’m interviewing with other companies but no offers yet. #offer #zoox #amazon #tc #tech

Salesforce HC_Verma Aug 15, 2020

Very low. PIP them

BYTON BYTOFF Aug 15, 2020

I’d be extremely cautious of SARS. We are still struggling with Covid

Amazon kvShip Aug 15, 2020

Avoid because Amazon Culture is coming to Zoox.

Zoox XldO34 Aug 15, 2020

Zars will probably be worth nothing unless you plan on staying for more than 5 years.

Salesforce HC_Verma Aug 15, 2020

Tf is ZARS? you collect points and they send you mars? Lol

Amazon shavira Aug 15, 2020

read the post.

Zoox stephfurry Aug 17, 2020

Should ask for 220K base

Zoox gcwF22 Aug 17, 2020

ZARs are liquid and pretty much have guaranteed growth based on how much amazon

Zoox CGia46 Aug 17, 2020

I disagree. They are not liquid for at least 3 years, have horrific back weighted super long vesting schedules, and it’s not at all clear how much they would increase in value because Amazon has no incentive to get a high 409A.

Zoox gcwF22 Aug 17, 2020

Agree to disagree

Zoox gcwF22 Aug 17, 2020

Invests going forward That does seem like a low ball offer given your experience though. From what I can gather at Zoox YOE and the MS matter much less than performance and compensation seems to be merit based

PayPal flashsam OP Aug 17, 2020

Interesting. My interview performance was really good. And given that there is always some risk in switching, I should ask for at least ~30-40% raise. Thanks for your input. :)

Zoox Heyman! Aug 17, 2020

I think it's low balled ZARs has zero value and you shouldn't consider it while evaluating your offer

PayPal flashsam OP Aug 17, 2020

I agree. I’m not counting any ZARs. From what I’ve read, Zoox shares are currently worth $0.60-0.70. Is that close?

Zoox poohxjinpi Aug 17, 2020

Yeah close enough

Zoox Fzgjfko Aug 17, 2020

Get a competing offer and ask them to crank up the base

PayPal flashsam OP Aug 17, 2020

Yes. That’s my plan. Hope other interviews goes well so that I can present a counter offer.

Zoox Fzgjfko Aug 18, 2020

As for the ZARs, maybe they'll be worth nothing, maybe the price will 100x in the next 10 years. No way to know. I suspect they'll grow at least moderately in the next couple years - if they don't then we can always leave

Zoox poohxjinpi Aug 17, 2020

What team?