lockdown doesn’t seemt to be effective. califonia has the strcitist lockdown but yet the samw result as florida and texas if not worse. in addition, lockdown should buy us time to do contact tracing, which we aren’t. lastly, lockdown cause so many business to close and induce mental health issues thay further worsen the problem.
Need to look at where infections are increasing. So like a lot of California locked down hard after their dense areas had massive infections. Then it subsided except in the rural areas where people were kinda being dumb but were outdoors and spread out. Now infection rate is way up in those areas because they’re using AC and staying indoors together. Lockdown does work to flatten the curve. And when you reopen or break the rules things get worse. Remember also we had several holidays where people just said “fuck the rules” and in the US police don’t enforce the quarantine. Whereas other countries had enforcement and now can start to enjoy life a bit more.
How's that working for new Zealand?
It's working extremely well
Cases don’t matter, only deaths do.
Deaths and number of people with long term disability, permanent organ damage, and recurring symptoms.
Deaths increase proportionately with cases
I can't believe this poll is trending to show lockdown is not necessary.. no wonder US is fucked (considering majority of people on this app are also in US). I saw in beginning of lockdown people were cautious..nothing much changed about covid but as time grew and people were bored - they started suddenly doing things and pretended it is no longer serious - re-using masks, being less paranoid About hands, in general thinking that they need to wear a mask because stores ask them to (can be seen by low quality cloth masks, masks not covering nose and removing masks when no one is seeing etc) not because they feel it is necessary. Just because you are bored doesn't mean anything. And remember! The shitty cloth mask you bought just to pacify authorities is for others' protection not yours..someone else in another household is also making such life altering decisions which will affect your safety. So unless everyone believes in it, this is not going away.
How did you get into Google and not know that's not a statistically valid sample in the first row? Really dumb.
there is no lockdown in the states, people are leaving their houses whenever they want. there's work from home for many people, that's it. a lockdown is what china did, actually locking people in their homes with chains and forcefully detaining people who have it. I'm not advocating for what China did, but what we have in the US is far from a lockdown. A more accurate assessment would be: whatever half ass thing we're doing in the states right now is not working.
Exactly. This is not a lockdown. Every other day some mayor or governor announces a “highly recommended quarantine” or “lock down” but there is zero enforcement. None. Recently San Francisco Bay Area stated anyone traveling into the Bay Area from outside the bay area counties will have to quarantine for 10 days. Are you kidding me? This is a joke. No one will abide by this. There is no enforcement. The governor of CA dunes at the French Laundry indoors with lobbyists and health cohorts while telling the public to SIP and refrain from group indoor activities. No one is truly afraid of this disease in this country. If Gavin actually feared COVID he would Not have dined indoors with a group of non family members. Think about it.
This
Even in “locked down” California people are living their lives like normal. I see people everywhere when I go for a drive. It’s just WFH, people are clearly not locking down.
Tell that to business owners
All the business I regularly go to (a lot of mom and pop shops) are open, just with safety measures in place. Well expect for my salon.
Lockdown dont help and kill more people, kinda obvious now. Enough to just to be reasonable and avoid mass gatherings and wear masks in stores/planes etc
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So you essentially saying it wont work cause it cant be enforced. Thats a balid point too. Also if you shoot everybody you will defeat virus, there would be 0 deaths from covid. I am saying this wont work, you are saying its 100% effective against virus. Looks like we are both right )
"califonia has the strcitist lockdown but yet the samw result as florida and texas if not worse." False
^^ California has double the population of Florida (40 million versus 20 million) but yet we have the same ballpark of deaths ~12k versus ~10k. I think lockdown applies to the extent that people follow the rules. 4/5 of the deaths are coming out of SoCal where there is a lot of resistance.
Absolutely. It's part of the democrats' plan to destroy America's economy so they can blame everything on Trump during election time.
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We should have done one extreme or the other. The middle ground approach the US, and most other countries are taking is going to be a disaster. We either needed to go full on China and weld people's doors shut so they can't leave their homes, or we should be doing what everyone said we were going to do back in March--ie encouraging just enough social distancing to keep hospitals at about 100% capacity (you can go a little over 100% with temporary hospitals and such). Instead, we are basically ensuring that the pandemic lasts years by not enacting any serious measures, but simultaneously seriously hurting the economy by enacting some measures. At this point though, the weld people in their homes option is no longer really there. Coronavirus is everywhere, and is not going away. We should let it spread as quickly as we can without having the hospitals overrun.
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Only thing’s that really aren’t a good idea right now are event with large crowds like concerts.
Outdoor events aren't a great idea but are also not the big problem. Indoor gatherings are a problem, especially with food and drink (ie no mask). Outdoors the virus dissipates whereas indoors it concentrates, especially if the ventilation system recirculates the air.