Tech IndustryJul 27, 2022
Microsoftdamngirl!

In what cases should a CS grad consider doing a PhD if not to go into academia?

Hi guys and fellow gals, I just graduated with a great offer. Everything looks promising but I want to do more research and publish some papers in NLP. I follow some cool people at OpenAI, Hugging Face etc who seem to do interesting work in AI/ML and most have a PhD. I am interested in being in that kind of an industry x research intersection. However, a PhD seems like too big a time+life commitment for me. I think I will also end up falling behind in my career as a SWE. But I wonder if the falling behind is a short-term negative that is later compensated for by a long-term positive? Are there any long-term benefits to doing a PhD that I am not seeing as a new grad? TC: 190k (new grad offer)

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u1test Jul 27, 2022

Depends on your TC

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Google QKXo60 Jul 27, 2022

It really does. Just like pursuing an MBA degree is arguable for someone at MBB working at a post MBA level already.

Meta SevenOfDia Jul 27, 2022

It’s very common and helpful to take a few years to work then return to PhD, I would take the offer now and keep getting to know folks in research groups you might be interested in and asking about outcomes (how many go back to industry) and really learning about why you might want/not want to commit 5 year to get one . Bottom line I think there is no rush and I would take the offer

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yooloo Jul 27, 2022

How about passion?

Microsoft damngirl! OP Jul 27, 2022

My passion is to not work. Can't follow that

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yooloo Jul 27, 2022

Don’t do a PhD if you’re not passionate about it. You’ll be miserable

Grab testacc6 Jul 27, 2022

If you want to be a applied or resreach scientist then a phd is mandatory

Johnson & Johnson WPBR81 Jul 27, 2022

There is no reason to do a Ph.D if you don't intend to go into academia. If you're going private sector, then those YOE you're losing are much more valuable than the letters after your name.

American Family Insurance rCzG31 Jul 27, 2022

Not true

Barclays PLC _anon_man_ Jul 27, 2022

Faster green card lmao & TC or GTFO

Microsoft damngirl! OP Jul 27, 2022

likh diya

Barclays PLC _anon_man_ Jul 27, 2022

Theeke hai bhai

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Barclays PLC _anon_man_ Jul 27, 2022

Yeah, and btw if you join Amazon your username will automatically change to pippip

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Amazon lpcsz Jul 27, 2022

If you go for a PhD, you will lose money (~6 years of slave wages), but it may let you do research rather than engineering later (provided you won’t drop out like many people starting PhD), which may be more enjoyable depending on your attitude. At the same time, you may consider MLE kind of a role if you like to be in between research and SW.

Lyft thefakebk Jul 27, 2022

Was on a research fellowship for a year in grad school during master’s, and my advisor still asks me to date to go do a PhD program with him whenever we get a meal together or randomly text. I’m posting some things that were useful to me and hopefully can be to you too. Here’s my thought process: I chose to go to industry after the master’s was up mostly because I thought I could do what I was doing/interested in doing in grad school with greater impact (and compensation) in industry. I told myself that I would only want to go do a PhD program if I was interested in a specific topic and can learn things related to it well mostly in an academic setting. My advisor told me that folks who have left academia to go to industry typically don’t come back (he had many friends do that) because the money is honestly great (esp with your background) and after a few years they start thinking about having or actually having a family, and that weighs heavily towards not doing a PhD program. After being in industry for a few years, I strongly agree on both points. The gravity to stay in industry will be strong from a financial perspective. I have friends that jumped between the two and usually they’re quite financially well-to-do and don’t worry about the net worth aspect. I talk to many SWEs at work and lots of “kids these days” really care about TC, so you may not worry about it now but you may get affected by it over time in industry. That being said, it’s usually in a more research-oriented role such as in X, G brain, or deepmind that you’ll find your PhD useful. Most ML SWE or applied scientist roles are going to be straightforward applications of ML (think classification) and not researchy at all.

Micron 🔥 in 🕳 Jul 27, 2022

There can be lot said but my 2 cents. Don't do PhD if you are not determined. Don't just weigh in your interests, interests can dry up during many phases of your PhD and thus resulting in negative thoughts unless you are determined. You are probably aware of yourself to decide on that. If you are determined and interested, go work on your PhD. Dont think about losing TC. Apart from the degree, PhD teaches more than what you can expect about yourself.