Happy Monday. Jan 6 was the first of its kind, in regards to protest from conservatives. Since Jan 6, air Marshall’s have stopped identifying potential terror threats, to rather monitor and follow anyone who was in DC that day, even if they were visiting for a birthday or work: https://www.dailywire.com/news/federal-air-marshals-diverted-from-sensitive-flights-to-follow-january-6-suspects-officials-say The Jan 6 riots cost roughly $2.8m, with roughly 2000 people entering the capital. Of the roughly 2000 in the capital, 1265 or 63% of participants have been CONVICTED of FEDERAL crimes. For a point of reference, the George Floyd riots cost roughly $2b in insurance claims. And does not account for the roughly 40% of small business that operate with no insurance at all. From the Floyd protests, of the roughly 15m-25m participants, there were an estimated 10000 ARRESTS (.0006%) for low-level STATE misdemeanors. There is no public data on federal arrests or convictions from these riots. If you are a free thinking citizen who believes in your rights and freedom to protest your beliefs, please ask yourself why these two separate events had such extremely different outcomes for the people who participated in them. And why that matters for how you perceive the federal government and their intentions. EDIT 1: lots of misinformation coming from the lefties. Specially around people being murdered at the capital during these protests. Here are the facts: Ashli Babbitt: She was shot by Capitol Police during the riot and later died. Kevin Greeson and Benjamin Phillips: Both died of cardiovascular disease. Greeson suffered a heart attack during the protest. Roseanne Boyland: She was initially believed to have been trampled to death but was later determined to have died of an accidental overdose. Officer Brian Sicknick: He collapsed after returning to his office during the protest and died the next day in the hospital. The medical examiner ruled that he died of a medical condition not brought on by an injury. EDIT 2: more misinformation comments around federal vandalism and federal officer assaults not occurring during G Floyd protests, which justifies the movement. Federal officer assaults during G Floyd riots in Oakland: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-30/vandalism-looting-bay-area-george-floyd-protests Police department being lit on fire during G Floyd riots: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/05/27/2-years-after-it-burned-no-clear-path-forward-for-minneapolis-3rd-precinct-site Attack on federal courthouse during G Floyd Riots: https://news.yahoo.com/rioters-set-fire-federal-courthouse-162333860.html EDIT 3: Misleading data being shared about officer assaults during J6 from https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/24-months-january-6-attack-capitol 1) This source references charges, not convictions. 2) this source does not identify time, or location of alleged assaults, which misleads the reader to assume they occurred in the capital 3) This source does not define “assault”, or what action that allegedly happened to justify the “assault” charges listed. EDIT 4) last edit. But there seems to be a lack of awareness around the mass surveillance endeavors of three letter agencies, specially on US citizens. and how granular/pro active they are with these endeavors. Once upon a time A small town protest in Kenosha, WI ended up turning deadly. And the events that night were highlighted at a national scale. But surprise surprise, the FBI knew about this event happening in advance, and had high end surveillance technology prepared for it. Despite their awareness and eagerness to monitor, they didn’t do much to actually stop or interfere with what happened that night. Even after 3 people are gunned down. If the FBI knew, and sat back during this protest, can we really assume they didn’t know about J6? A massive protest in Washington DC, on a historical date? They just had no idea? If they did know, is it possible they intentionally sat back to watch how events would unfold throughout the day? Instead of interfering, waiting to see who they could grab to help move their agenda forward? https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/03/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial
You are comparing attempted murder (of government officials) with vandalism and theft (of private citizens properties). Congratulations for finding out how those crimes have different weights. If you are still unsure, try to assault a police officer and a private citizen, and see if the sentence for those crimes are going to be the same.
Please site the attempted murder case.
My local TJ Max and the US Capitol… basically apples to apples am I right?
Why would you assume that Capitol is more important than business owned by citizens ? It's a fine comparison.
Notable Federal property vandalized during the Floyd protests: Arson Damage in Minneapolis–Saint Paul: The widespread acts of arson occurred in the aftermath of George Floyd’s murder on May 25, 2020. 164 separate structure fires were tracked during the riots, affecting at least 200 property locations. Rioters ignited flammable materials within or next to buildings, including deploying Molotov cocktails. Impacted structures suffered heavy damage or were destroyed, with some reduced to piles of rubble after collapsing. Notable arson damage included the Minneapolis Police Department’s third precinct police station, which was overrun by demonstrators and set on fire on the night of May 28. Tragically, Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. died from inhalation and burn injuries after being trapped inside a pawn shop that had been set on fire. Portland Federal Buildings Damage: The Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse was among the buildings affected. The city’s cleanup bill for federal properties amounted to $2.3 million, including repairs to several federal buildings.
Google needs a few more layoffs.
I agree with you bud, but this app is full of sheep, they will not read the numbers you posted although they're engineers. They're propagandized to obey what's told
Too many take the moral high ground and think they are better but in reality they don’t face the facts that Libs aren’t pro American and all the prosecutions against Trump are unconstitutional (aside from him withholding government documents after presidency, this is stupid). The half billion dollar penalty was hilarious. Just to impede and distract him from focusing on the election. Trump is a pig and definitely is going to hell, but so is Biden and the rest, only difference is that Trump is actually pro America. Migrant/border crisis, fentanyl drug crisis and high inflation after 3yrs of Biden is too much. Voted democrat 4 times but it’s too radical now.
There is literally nothing Trump did during his administration that show he's pro American in any way. On the other hand, he did lots of things to show he's only pro himself. Did you forget when he talked shit about US veterans?
Wow, what happened on the 6th is not a protest. What were they protecting? Those people tried to steal this country's right to elect a president. They wanted to attack government officials. Nancy Pelosi, Pence. And they were pro-Trump; what was the point of establishing Trump as a president? If the election were stolen, why Trump even take part in them again? Moreover, Putin hopes that this erosion of democracy will destroy the US and the West.
A thousand people entering a federal building isn’t much for “stealing an election” as much as it’s a propaganda piece for liberals. More appropriate description of this event is people making an attempt to make a statement. If you really believe the goal that day was to somehow hold someone hostage to re elect trump, you’re an idiot.
“People making an attempt to make a statement”. Why don’t you go ahead and tell what statement were they making? Since the plebs here clearly don’t get it.
Well done OP. Unfortunately this issue has been so propagandized that people just repeat the same “insurrection” and “threat to democracy” phrases without understanding the details. The belief that a few thousand gun owners would devise a master plan to overthrow the government and show up unarmed is so laughable I don’t understand how anyone can take it seriously.
All of those assholes that entered the building on Jan 6 should be prosecuted. It’s that simple, no excuses. I had no problem with them protesting and staying in the designated areas, but once they went past the barriers and entered the building they became criminals. That was just dumb shit all around.
Same energy for the federal buildings being burned down, that OP references I assume? If so, OP identifies the lack of accountability for Floyd protestors vs J6. So can you expand on why you aren’t as passionate about governments lack of prosecution for BLM rioters?
Who said that I wasn't? I replied to OP's assertion about Jan 6 and never attacked his points about the BLM riots. You made a huge leap there but that is par for the course these days. Yes, the BLM riots were bullshit and criminal and they should be prosecuted also. Additionally, if the FBI knew about Jan 6...so what, that still doesn't absolve those brain dread idiots! We got stop this "Whatabout-ism" shit. Now that I expanded on my comment, can you agree that those that participated in the Jan 6 riots are criminals?
Lmao your logic is so flawed it's genuinely laughable. > 63% of participants were convicted vs .0006% You think this proves an unfair bias but it actually just proves that J6 protestors were on average much more criminal than George Floyd protestors. Here's the question to get you going on why you're wrong: what % of those 15-25m Floyd protestors do you think _should_ have been convicted? I.e. what % committed a crime? 50%? 25% Even 1% would mean at least 150,000 people committed a crime. There's no way that many people did. Certainly the % is nowhere near 63%. The massive difference in % isn't because of the dEeP sTaTe. It's because a ton of the J6 protestors committed crimes, and a ton of the George Floyd protestors didn't. > $2.8m of damage vs. $2b Wow it's almost like when determining punishments, our legal system considers more than just the amount of damage to property that was done. Crazy. Look closely kids, this is what being a Trump supporter does to your brain. Trump Derangement Syndrome at its finest. MAGA, not even once.
You clearly have not read all of the comments from OP or maybe not even the entire post, so I’m not going out of my way to explain it to you. But you’re suggesting that less people were arrested for the Floyd riots because less people committed crimes. All at the same time you mention the massive bill from the destruction they caused, but saying none of it was prosecuted because they didn’t commit a heinous crime like Jan 6 people? So you’re arguing that “DUH THERE WERE LESS ARRESTS BECAUSE THERE WAS LESS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY” despite acknowledging $2b in damages is actually a shit ton of criminal activity. And a lot of burned down businesses. So to be clear, you believe the Jan 6 people committed more criminal acts and were prosecuted accordingly compared to the Floyd rioters?
I'm not suggesting anything more than what I said. OP made some arguments, I pointed out how bad they were. I'm not getting actually sucked into this debate with OP or anyone taking them seriously. That would take tons of my time pulling together sources and forming strong arguments and rebuttals. Not interested when OP made it clear they're an idiot. I note that neither you nor OP have countered my specific points. * No claims that you think the % of GF protestors who committed crimes is anywhere close to 63% * No claims that the % of J6 protestors charged with crimes is too high. * No claims that our laws only take into account how much property damage was done, or that they should be written like that. If you want to actually defend the gaping holes in OP's logic I pointed out, I'll entertain that for a minute, but not wasting my time with anything else.
You are a fool if you are not a MAGA already.
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You’re confusing protest with insurrection.
Notable Federal property vandalized during the Floyd protests: Arson Damage in Minneapolis–Saint Paul: The widespread acts of arson occurred in the aftermath of George Floyd’s murder on May 25, 2020. 164 separate structure fires were tracked during the riots, affecting at least 200 property locations. Rioters ignited flammable materials within or next to buildings, including deploying Molotov cocktails. Impacted structures suffered heavy damage or were destroyed, with some reduced to piles of rubble after collapsing. Notable arson damage included the Minneapolis Police Department’s third precinct police station, which was overrun by demonstrators and set on fire on the night of May 28. Tragically, Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. died from inhalation and burn injuries after being trapped inside a pawn shop that had been set on fire. Portland Federal Buildings Damage: The Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse was among the buildings affected. The city’s cleanup bill for federal properties amounted to $2.3 million, including repairs to several federal buildings.
Insurrection, @Amazon? You really think the US govt was at risk of being toppled that day? Give me a break. Furthermore, the insurrection clause of the 14th amendment wasn’t even enforced after the civil war. Ex-rebels, who actually fought the Union in armed combat, went on to serve in Congress! The notion that Jan 6 was an insurrection is insane.