Does anyone else feel that this huge D&I push in tech and progressive image companies might be too much? I feel like it’s actually making us more divided and segregated. It says inclusion but only focuses on certain groups. It seems to seek to disproportionately push up some groups over others irrespective of a given groups overall population or the size within the fields themselves. Is there a way to make sure all people are included and these efforts don’t just create new types of segregation? Governments should be investing more in education in all communities. Especially in science and math education. They need to help more people connect with these fields through their lives so the talent available is wide ranging and diverse. People should not be judged by their ethnicity by companies. This creates new bias and divisiveness just by that prejudgment itself.
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In my experience DE&I done right doesn’t punish anyone, especially white males. At large companies there is more than enough opportunity for anyone who wants it. If you’re really gunning for it and you’re putting in excellent work you’ll get noticed. DE&I just helps give historically disadvantaged groups access to the same opportunities; but they still have to work just as hard as you would to take advantage of the opportunities.
Whats DE&I done right? Cuz to me its fixing gaps early on in education (only 10% of cs undergrads are females). Is correct DE&I over rewarding the select few that chose that path?
Why do we need to fix the gap? Women don’t want to be in CS. They have every opportunity in the world and they still don’t go. It seems everyone things something is wrong when it isn’t.
Is this the new #AllLivesMatter? Have you not noticed how few Black and female employees there are in tech, especially in Eng and product roles? Fixing the gap will take a lot of concerted effort. You have to ask yourself, how is it hurting you to have someone else provided a bit of support to counter the injustices present in the system? I truly am curious, how are you finding the DEI efforts to be divisive?
This!
This sentiment is def older than #alllivesmatter
In my experience, it led to hiring under qualified candidates. This leads to resentment from their teams. We need to be careful with it and not blindly hire X% diversity hires just to make it sound good in a press release.
That's why you work at New. Invalid opinion⬇️
That’s why you work at HP invalid opinion
I do, because d&i is pushed in a forceful manner not as an abstract good state.
How does an abstract good state help facilitate change? Sometimes you have to push.
Governments should be trying to change the education system to create a wider interest in match and science generally. Private industry should not be creating divisiveness and segregating us by ethnicity. We should not be prejudged by the color of our skin.
I do think there's a way to make sure all people are included, and I think it's by focusing on economic class, and not race/gender. If you're focusing on hiring a Hispanic person who lives in LA, has a 4 years degree from UCLA, and takes Uber rides down the PCH, is that really any more diverse than a white person in an Uber in LA who graduated from UCLA? What if instead, there was a focus on hiring non-college educated people from rural parts of the US? Providing then with training and tech apprenticeships, and letting them continue to work remotely from where they live. That would get you actual diversity, and if you look at poverty statistics, this approach would also get you way more blacks, Hispanics, and single mothers than current "diversity" efforts.
Spoken like a true entitled straight white male!
As a white male from a different country I only wish that I was eligible for all the BS diversity programmes designed by companies for people to just walk into jobs.
Entitlement is when you expect someone to hire you for belonging to a certain race even when you don't have the relevant skills
Promoting D & I is still unfair. It was created by racists and divides people by race. Did you notice how few one-armed people are in tech? We should promote them instead.
D&I also includes those with disabilities, so I completely agree that they need more representation in tech
D&I is not about disabilities but races, like here https://www.mckinsey.com/careers/search-jobs/jobs/sophomoresummerbusinessanalyst-19389
What’s D&l in countries with a single racial population like say Nigeria or Japan?
If you’re not the same race you just get fucked
I’ve noticed that all these posts talking about diversity is “bad” seem to come from the exact people you’d expect. What’s so divisive about allowing opportunities to historically underrepresented groups? There’s a reason “history underrepresented groups” is even a thing and it’s because of attitudes from people like OP. You all go to these fancy schools and work in fancy jobs but lack the brain to do a little bit of research on why things are unequal for some segments of the population. Just admit that you don’t like working with those minorities because suddenly you feel powerless, instead of BS anonymous posts about how “diversity is divisive.” I agree that some companies might go to the extremes in their efforts to create opportunities for all and do things that could be unnecessary, but overall, having diversity populations in tech and in any industry has never been a bad thing.
They think it’s a zero sum game 🤦🏻♀️
I wouldn’t be surprised if all these people commenting “diversity bad” are the same lot you’d find at a KKK tiki torch rally screaming “J— will not replace us.”
Nope, it’s called political gesture, which makes us more divided
Exactly. We are becoming more divided by these efforts.
Who is “we”? Is there data to back that up or is that just your feeling? I’m from a URG and am finally starting to feel welcome at the table.