Zoom - the last company you would think that would do RTO. Yup 2 days RTO as reported in NYT https://web.archive.org/web/20230808183015/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/07/business/zoom-return-to-office.html
Zoom is great. Please keep using Zoom. Otherwise stock will plummet and another layoff will come.
Another company to avoid. It’s a shame, but remote work will forever live on as long as there are people like me who will never go back to the office. TC: 105K
Hilarious. Way to undermine confidence in your own product lol
Exactly - if they can’t collaborate on zoom, then the whole product concept is a sham. Zoom had the chance to take the high road and put faith in their product and attract immense talent by committing to remote for whoever wants it. They missed the boat
Not exactly. Two days a week means you still need to pay for the monthly zoom saas license. The two days in office means less zoom time which is a benefit for Eric Yuan and zoom because that means lower infrastructure cost on GCP and AWS. If you know, you know
Ouch. Talk about bad optics
Yep, it’s embarrassing for all of us here. The mandate is that anyone within a 50 mile radius of an office has to return. Teams are dispersed, so many folks will drive 40-50 miles one way just to use Zoom to collaborate with all of their teammates. An embarrassing decision by the exec team.
Why 50 miles? Why not 40 or 70? Amazon doing the same bs to us. None of these leaders know what they are doing. They're just copying each other and following company playbooks from 50 years ago.
They said 50 miles would get the most folks into the office within a “commutable” distance. Sorry, but 50 miles in the Bay Area or Denver isn’t commutable. You’re right, they’re just copying other companies. They have no real solutions and they can’t think for themselves.
Stop supporting zoom now if they can’t even support their own product
Ok ppl, let me tell you the real reason. We think a company is independent but its not, especially larger companies which are listed are mainly controlled by investors. And these "investors" are ultimately bankers. And these bankers control the world, they provide the capital and investment for all companies especially tech which is heavily dependent on investors. And these bankers have invested in a diverse range of portfolio, the major ones being real estate. With long term WFH, real estate prices plummet. And bnakers dont want that, hence they force companies to do RTO. We think the world is independent but its run by bankers, it may sound like a conspiracy theory but just think where the money comes from. It has been conclusively proved 2007 great depression was done by banks intentionally.
I dont understand why there is so much “doesn’t believe in their product, blah blah, wait to kill the reason for your product” around this. Most companies of decent size have multiple locations and they need to work together. Zoom will be fine as long as it continues to “just work”
So remote collaboration works sometimes? What’s the criteria? Why not consolidate offices in one location if in-person work is of the utmost importance? Are the non-HQ Zoom offices “less than?” Are they intrinsically less “Zoomy” for their distance? No. They’re fine. Because Zoom, for all of its problems, is fine. Because remote collaboration using ANY shitty videoconferencing tool is fine. The children (i.e., new grads) will be fine. The innovation is fine. Nobody. Needs. To. Smell. Another. Motherfucker’s. Sweat. To. Succeed. In. Motherfucking. Tech.
Were you on a Zoom call for the last 2 days?
We use teams
Teams at GM.