How it is as a Non-Tesla EV owner
BEFORE YOU READ: This is not a Tesla hate post. Just trying to educate people on the current EV landscape. I see there is a huge gap in people’s knowledge of EVs outside of Tesla manufactured cars. Yes Tesla’s are great and they lead the EV way. But, the EV market is not in 2015 anymore. Every other car manufacturer in US is either trying to get in the space or already has a few fully electric vehicle out there. A major advantage that these non-tesla manufacturers have is their shared charging infrastructure. Every other North American vehicle manufacturer except Tesla follows the same charging port. It is becoming more and more like the battle between IOS vs Android than you are aware of. 1. COMMON ASSUMPTION: Battery technology is not good on non-tesla vehicles. This is not true anymore, it is a known fact Tesla overstates their range and underdelivers on the actual range. Most EV companies have similar battery technology and = or > charging speed. I own a Ford Mustang Mach E. Mach E beats Tesla in range and charging time with a breeze with a lower EPA rated battery. Tesla however has it in the battery efficiency category and the Hyundai Ioniq 5 has Tesla beaten in the efficiency category ad well. 2. COMMON ASSUMPTION: Non-tesla vehicles does not have super-charging or its not on par with Tesla. There are more non-tesla chargers than tesla chargers, look this up. Tesla currently has a better super-charging network but not for long. Electrify America has similar infrastructure built across NA and its owned by VW. Ford and many other car manufacturers are active partners pumping money into this as its good for all, Only thing that’s lagging is the consistency of the charging experience. Since its a shared infrastructure unlike Tesla’s proprietary infrastructure. Ford, Vw, Hyundai, Porsche, Bmw, Audi, Mercedes etc ( and add every other ev making company besides tesla) all follow the same charger and can share the same charging infrastructure. Before 2023, Electrify America will beat Tesla’s super charging network and they are not even the only fast charging network out there. So, this is grossly misunderstood. TESLA IS NOT THE ONLY COMPANY WITH A SUPER CHARGING NETWORK. In my vehicle (mach e), Ford has built similar technology to plug and charge within their In-Network chargers. Anyway, I took a trip to Yosemite and Tahoe in recent times. Had to do 1 charging session for 20 mins each way 🤷🏽♂️ on my Mach E. I have average of 4 miles / kwh. That puts my range estimate at 352 miles where as EPA has rated my car 305. I am surprised at how good it is and how much people are misinformed on this topic. #tesla #ev #car #auto
I had a non Tesla car last time. Problem is Tesla have supercharger + shared charging infra. Non Tesla only have shared charging infra. Shared charging infra like charge point etc also suck in terms of number of chargers and distribution of them. I often had to wait for someone else to charge as there’s usually only 2-4 high speed chargers. Tesla have easily 20 in one location. Another thing is depreciation. Tesla hold their value extremely well. Non Tesla ev take massive price cut 2-3 years later. Cost of ownership probably lower on Tesla.
The massive depreciation will change with the next gen of BEV’s. The depreciation hit is take on the useless cars with ~100mi of range. The new generation have 250+ miles to charge and will depreciate less, given the functionality.
Tesla needs an expensive adapter for J1772 and you can buy an adapter for non-tesla vehicles to use tesla destination chargers. So, you are right but this is not a make or break difference. Tesla cannot out-pace the entire automotive industry in building this network. There is depreciation, Idk how its going to be for my Mach E since its a new car but I have assumed that it’s gona go down in value. But you get: - better build quality - more premium vehicles in and out - far better service and part availability in case of repairs - lower cost to get in Fords F-150 outsells every vehicle class in US. Ford wont just move their cash cow to fully electric without knowing the market. I started looking into and started considering Mach E after ford dropped this news.
Getting an EV feels like getting a MacBook without the M1 chip right now. I test drove Model S, Model3, and Mach E. EV feels lacking to me in range and option departments. My ideal car would be one with 400+ mile range with good build quality at a reasonable price. Still feels a little far away. So I’m looking to lease a car for 3 years while new battery tech scales up and the new competitors emerge and iterate a couple generations. (Porsche, Ford, Mercedes, etc)
What are you gonna do with that high of a range? I bother more about the charging speed + network rather than the range itself. My Mach E gives me 320+ miles with my relatively aggressive drive style. What makes a huge difference is the charging time. Compared to both Mach E and Tesla’s, the new hyundai ioniq 5 does super fast charging. I checked road trip times to Sequoia from Sunnyvale. All long range models: Mach E: 4 hour and 5 mins with 8 mins charge time Ioniq 5: 4 hour 3 mins with 8 mins charge time Tesla Model Y: 4 hours with 7 mins charge time Non-EV: 3 hour and 47 mins For shorter trips such as this, the EVs add 15 mins to the overall trip time. For a trip to los angeles, the charging time adds around 40 minutes.
This post aged well. Supercharging infrastructure is being opened up to non-Tesla OEMs.
Great news, but not probably in US, probably in Europe. Tesla uses CCS type chargers similar to other manufacturers in Europe, so they can easily just let other EVs charge. In US, they might have to sell some tesla to ccs adapters for this to even work.
Intuit now in USA as well
Another big non-Tesla assumption: only Tesla have "self-driving". False. Plenty of new EVs have a driving assist mode. It is a "smart" adaptive cruise control in all of these cars. None are full autonomous self driving.
🍿🍿🍿Haha.. here comes..Tesla Stans with arguments…🍿🍿🍿