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rollrcoast

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rollrcoast
Aug 26, 2021 21 Comments

Hi,

I have these below offers. Can you suggest which one could be better (“adding your reasons would help in decision making if you something specific”)

1. Adobe

level: L4
Base: 210
RSU: 250
Bonus: 60
Annual bonus: 15%

Org: experience cloud

2. Apple

Level: ICT4
Base: 200
RSU: 300
Bonus: 50
Annual bonus: 15%

Con: manager is ex-Amazon :(

Org: IS & T

Tc: 250
Yoe: 7

Others not considering:
1. Thumbtack, Marqeta - (for both, did not feel the vibe and unsure of their growth personally)
2. stopped LinkedIn after phone (as their senior sounds like a downgrade)

Main factors:
1. aged 30+ already and may not have that mental aptitude to continue being an IC after a point. So, I am looking at balanced WLB (have family) and a feasibility of EM transition in future.
2. Resume factor for future prospects
3. Refreshers
4. Internal move feasibility (in case I want to stay eternally :) )
5. IS&T has a slight negative opinion from blinders. Worried about it too as the internal move in Apple appears like a total loop.
6. ESPP - Adobe has a 2yr locking, which is great if the stock continues growing

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TOP 21 Comments
  • Google
    xGoNgIv

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    xGoNgIv
    Apple:
    - it’s hard to move between teams (your current manager gets informed *before* you talk to other managers). And after that you do interviews
    - WLB is a hit or miss. Mostly miss
    - IS & T works on bad tech problems with a bad tech stack, and usually bad management

    + brand name
    + good refreshers

    Adobe:

    - weaker brand name, but then again no one would discriminate your profile coz you went to Adobe
    - not everyone gets refreshers, generally lower amount too

    + almost always good WLB
    + not a cutthroat environment
    + great ESPP plan
    Aug 26, 2021 5
  • Adobe
    mnUQ11

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    mnUQ11
    I make 25 yr in ESPP alone each year by maxing out my ESPP and not selling for 2yrs due to the awesome stock appreciation. I would add 25k to the total compensation just due to ESPP. Add two shut-downs and superb work culture, and then Apple does not even come into picture. Three people in my team, including me ditched Apple offer for Adobe. We also have people who ditched Fb, but we are in a very strong ORG and team, so we get annual refreshers..
    Aug 27, 2021 2
  • Lol you're worried about mental aptitude at 30+? The sharpest engineers i have ever worked with were all over 50 dude, unless you've got early onset dementia or some shit you'd be fine as an IC till retirement provided you maintain a desire to keep learning.
    Aug 26, 2021 2
    • Amazon
      rollrcoast

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      rollrcoast
      OP
      I feel it’s a relative world and the youngsters are too good these days and if the job comes down to something where speed matters, I believe age is a factor to consider. There are already allegations that some of the FANGs have shown discrimination against age.

      Anyways, I am just trying to play safe.
      Aug 26, 2021
    • A fresh grad may be faster, but from what I've seen the more experienced folks are more efficient and better at recognizing edge cases etc so they end up producing fewer bugs and designing better systems. In the end id almost always prefer the more experienced candidate since speed is only 1 aspect to consider and I havent seen much of a speed difference let alone enough of one to make up for all the other benefits experience adds.

      Allegations can be made for anything, but if you keep learning and enjoying the IC work I wouldn't worry about it.
      Aug 26, 2021
  • Adobe
    chusinut

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    chusinut
    I took Adobe over LinkedIn. Loving it so far here.
    Aug 28, 2021 1
  • Visa
    eoBh88

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    eoBh88
    Is it 250k stocks per year? If not wouldnt it be similar to your current tc
    Aug 26, 2021 3