Arguments I have seen are about "Israel proper" having Arab citizens with equal rights (at least on paper), and conveniently pretend like the West Bank and Gaza are excluded from Israel in this argument's context only. Outside of this argument, these same people will deny that Palestine has the right to exist and consider all that land as theirs, and accept a brutal and oppressive system of control over Palestinians in those lands. https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid What gives?
What’s the best way we can just level the whole place and then rebuild it as a Mediterranean vacation spot, free from all the creepy religious bullshit?
I'll make it simpler. For those who say that it isn't apartheid, do you recognize that occupied land to be the state of Palestine? If not, what is it called?
They are the occupied territories of.... ???
Arabs who live in Israel proper are its citizens with equal rights, no way they are under apartheid. Let’s call Gaza and the West Bank occupied. Then it follows that Israel is an occupier with respect to these territories, which is different than an apartheid state.
Because its not. Hamas are terrorists though.
And one doesn't know how to answer a question.
“West Bank and Gaza are excluded from Israel” Neither of those are part of Israel. You can’t really be this stupid. Do you also think part of Mexico is part of the United States?
Part of Mexico was part of the US and is no longer, but that's a different topic. You might have trouble in comprehending my question, which isn't about what I think. So what do you call that land then?
Gaza is owned by the Gazans. West Bank is contested land, nobody signed for it in 48, last it was annexed by Jordan and then taken by Israel but Israel has not annexed it. It’s currently divided into zones controlled in part by the PLO and secured by Israel. Do your own homework before you speak about shit you don’t understand.
Who cares about semantics in the end really? If it looks like X, smells like X and tastes like X, then it is X practically in any case.
Hate.
You know that’s never going to happen right? “Freeing” “Palestine”, which is not a state and never was. Arabs have tried quite a few times and lost every time. Israel isn’t going anywhere. Go cry about it pansy.
We actually are very sure it will happen, but for us we don't care about this world that much. We care more about the after life. Everyone knows children killers will never have peace.. only bad life and a worst death. anyway I will go cry now 😅
Judging from your name, I assume you're just trying to stir things up. I'll still give the TL;dr tho Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 in a transition to Palestinian autonomy and potentially statehood. Obviously they chose to elect Hamas and perpetuate their right to the land that is now Israel, even though they would've kept it if their parents and grandparents didn't fight against the creation of Israel, instead of investing in building a new nation state. The west bank is still under occupation because the Gaza experiment failed.
Netanyahu ensured Hamas’ survival: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ This was to keep the Palestinians divided to hinder the creation of a Palestinian state.
So you recognize that Israel is occupying that land illegally according to international law? I won't bother responding to those other comments. Some people know the reality of the situation.