Globalization of big tech workforce is good
Seeing a lot of comments on "quality" of engineers in India and Germany lately as big tech announces moving jobs there. Google and other big tech are global companies. They make about half their revenue from outside USA. The dependency on big tech products like whatsapp and Gmail is unbelievable in most markets outside usa. I think it makes a lot of sense for big tech to move some jobs out. Reality is about 90% of work in these companies is boilerplate. Even non-engineers with good pattern matching skills can deliver at junior level. Design is much talked about but it also becomes easy as you work more and see different tools. I think there is an some "god" or "we are special" complex among too many folks in usa. You are not special and your demands are too high. Another good thing is with globalization of big tech, new products are gaining ground. Especially something like UPI in India. I believe majority of google pay team that works on upi is in India. This allows Google to explore opportunities to push upi in other countries. Like they did in usa for fednow. I am sure new things are happening in Brazil and Phillipines that I am not aware of. Big tech can surface new ideas at the top. Everyone wins!
Why, as an American in tech, should I agree with you?
> your demands are too high. You will eat shit and you will like it. You will be a slave forever while the top .1% continues to destroy the middle class and make the largest divide in history even larger.
Moving high paying jobs outside of the richest country reduces global inequality.
Lmfaooooooooo this has never been the case and never will be the case, this has only ever eroded the middle class and created new cheap factory work elsewhere. Literally they get hired for cheap labor, stay in near poverty, and the rich stay richer. VP+ jobs aren't going to those places in general, it's the working class (middle class aka most of us) that feels the brunt of the pain.
Wait until your job gets outsourced as well and we’ll talk then 😄
When Americans are willing to move to eastern europe/asia/south america for an entry level job and it's not a big ego hit for them, then we'll finally have hit global equality of opportunity. The world is moving in that direction with globalization, and no force can reverse it, nor should it from a global macro perspective - this is what it looks like for euro privilege to be eroded from global power structures. If the US bans outsourcing and external hiring completely and becomes autarkic, there is no reason why the rest of the world should use american tech platforms and it will result in a global pushback against US big tech and lead to a fragmented internet or create space for whoever is perceived to be a 'fair' operator. As long as US GDP per capita keeps growing - the only way for an American worker to justify their dramatically higher wages relative to the rest of the world are by being far more specialized, more productive, and far more entrepreneurial and capitalist than workers in other countries. To a great degree this is what has happened over the last decade - which is why Americans have managed to attain GDP per capita of $85,000 dollars while Europe stagnated at around $50k despite the rise of China. China has already built manufacturing overcapacity in almost all product categories and India + AI are going to rise in the next decade most likely eroding all generalized services jobs leaving only hyper-specialized roles and business ownership for Americans. If Americans want to keep up their GDP per capita growing at existing rates of around ~4% - and have a per capita income of $125k in 2033 - in a world where all manufacturing is done in the east/south-east-south asia zone and equivalent indian service sector workers are available for $20k USD - then it will essentially have to become a nation of business owners leveraging a global workforce and deploying their capital advantages to hire external workers to keep up their global dominance. Is that realistic? I don't know, seems unlikely and only a few smaller countries like singapore, lichtenstein, monaco, have managed it, can America really replicate it at scale? Or will it's own weight lead to capital flight and currency devaluation. At the very least America managed to maintain its position over the last decade against all odds - so maybe it will find a way.
What globalization? India only soon. And then AI only. Rich becomes richer.
Nobody is complaining about quality of German engineers. People complain about quality of Indian engineers. Obviously it's not universally true. Many many talented and smart Indian programmers exist. But you cannot deny that many many idiots who shouldn't be coding also exist. In the USA college is designed to weed out the shit. In India college is a giant scam. Dumb people in the USA never become engineers. Dumb people in India become engineers in droves
Dumb people who barely passed moved to USA and are employed by good companies. Moving to USA is a way out for most of the rich losers because they couldn’t get a high paying job because of high competition in India.
Microsoft what kind of ass backwards logic are you trying to pull? Are you saying the smart ones stayed in India? Lmao
Google is becoming IBM. Their pay and prestige will completely reflect that within the next ten years. The next generation will think of working for them in the same way as working for IBM or yahoo and they will attract the same level talent. The next round of unicorns are being founded right now and will be the the places to work for TC and prestige during the next technology bull market, especially as they IPO and make instant multimillionaire during the next cycle.
It’s not.
I agree, but any user using any Google services needs to use software developed on US soil. Hence, I do not support a dev from India write software that will either 1) run on US servers or 2) will be used by customers physically on soil of the US
Wow. So India and rest of the world should allow softeare written by devs in US, while u dont want the opposite. Why dont u just say u are part of the KKK
This is the end goal but as long as there’s value in people working side by side in real time (physical distance as well as time zone constraints), then there’s still a need for clusters of people in the same office. Fully asynchronous communication is tough. But yes nobody is special and immune to market forces.