Am I underpaid?

Citibank / Product Brooke
Mar 2, 2018 142 Comments

I am a senior product manager and my total take home this year will be $180. Reading through these threads and its difficult to determine a good pay range is. I look at sites like Glassdoor and payscale, the ranges seem wide. If I were to go by numbers on blind I'd say I'm under paid. Is it because I don't work at Google, Facebook, Amazon or Apple? Is it because I work in NYC and not silicon valley? Is it because of my experience. How do I go about increasing my salary?

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  • Box / Other DontExpose
    $180? That’s like 20 visits to chipotle
    Mar 2, 2018 13
    • Intuit / Design blindedone
      It’s less if you get guac. 💁🏼‍♀️
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Yahoo silvereyes
      I am hungry now. Still won’t eat @chipotle.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Amazon cjdkxnanaa
      this is why i come to blind. for good laugh
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Microsoft Fishv
      Lol
      Mar 4, 2018
    • Merrill Lynch / Other
      PBTY

      Merrill Lynch Other

      PRE
      Citibank
      PBTYmore
      😂
      Jun 15, 2018
  • Microsoft Dppe
    Years of experience? I make 260k with 3 years of experience in Bay area. You can compare.
    Mar 2, 2018 9
    • Microsoft / Eng JS5bj
      In Cali you add 10% to base.

      So it could be:
      $140 base
      $120/4 ($30k) sign on bonus
      18% ($25k) cash bonus
      10k stock bonus
      --------------------------------
      $205k TC is reasonable for a good listener.

      $260k seems like a stretch
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng zHIy06
      Welcome to Blind
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Adobe PDtu04
      You are kidding. Come with real numbers
      Mar 3, 2018
    • Microsoft Dppe
      I am not at Microsoft folks. This is old account. When I left microsoft my base was 140k but stocks were less. New company gave good increase in base and fucking lot of stocks.
      Mar 3, 2018
    • Twitch LOG32
      Uhh, 260 might bit a 'little' high, but really that's not that far out.

      I have 4 years as software engineer and I got 225k total comp at an Amazon company. That total comp is now much higher, because of the stock price increases over the last couple months.
      Mar 3, 2018
  • You're over paid.
    Mar 2, 2018 3
    • Citibank / Product Brooke
      OP
      On what basis?
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Juniper / Eng faSt60
      Do t worry about oath. He works in juniper ! It pays shitty salaries
      Mar 2, 2018
    • 💯😓
      Mar 2, 2018
  • Intel bellcurve
    Sr Product Manager of what at Citibank? It's hard to compare anything without some more details. The Citibank mobile app? Also, do you have a tech education, Masters in CS, or MBA, etc? You can't compare your comp to FANG companies' comps unless you can pass their L33TCode interviews. Wanna increase your salary? Pass the L33tcode interviews and move to one of the FANGs in the Bay Area. However, you might feel poor even if you make 300k TC here lol.
    Mar 2, 2018 9
    • Qualtrics Ooooop
      Is any bank actually good though, lbr
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Microsoft Wanna be
      BECU’s mobile app is great!
      Mar 3, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng
      To be fair, FA(A)NG is (mostly) blind-specific terminology - I've never heard it anywhere else.

      Also, only blind circlejerks leetcode. Normal people mostly use CTCI, particularly if they're a college grad.
      Mar 14, 2018
    • Return to Your Power 1username
      FANG is widely used term among investors
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Qualtrics Wuh
      I haven't heard fang until blind, but leetcode is advised in school, online, and on blind.
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Intel bellcurve
    Fbook, Amazon/Apple, Netflix, Google. You can also throw in Unicorn startups like Uber, Lyft, etc. Interviews at these companies consist of programming challenges that gauge your critical thinking, communication skills, and coding ability. Leetcode is a website/paid service that tests your coding abilities. If this all sounds foreign to you, then don't compare your salary to the ones you see on Blind.
    Mar 2, 2018 5
    • Citibank / Product Brooke
      OP
      Thanks for the explanations. My background is not in tech, never worked in silicon Valley , I've worked at large corporations but never for a true tech company. My questions may seem ignorant but I am just trying to figure out my weaknesses in the market so that I can address them. Any thoughts on how to do so?
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Disney disManFuc
      That’s only for coding jobs. How about other jobs
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Qualtrics Ooooop
      Don't know what female has to do with that, bruh
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Credit Karma 77yr5ee3hc
      @bellcurve jfc just buy a fleshlight
      Mar 2, 2018
  • New machan3
    Those crazy salaries are only at FAANG + unicorns, and even them may be in the Bay Area too.
    Mar 2, 2018 8
    • eBay keepr
      @sec00nda, I was laughing my ass off. That was a good one.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • New machan3
      Which A in FAANG should be dropped Amazon or Apple?
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Verathon / Eng
      FANG

      Verathon Eng

      BIO
      💅 Seattle
      FANGmore
      Troll question
      Mar 2, 2018
    • New machan3
      Which A is not troll question...
      Mar 3, 2018
    • Verathon / Eng
      FANG

      Verathon Eng

      BIO
      💅 Seattle
      FANGmore
      Obviously Apple man. Learn to Google.
      Mar 3, 2018
  • Amazon Soya sauce
    If you are in a tech role, move to a tech company.
    Similarly, finance folks are paid less in tech industry
    Mar 2, 2018 0
  • GoPro arcm85
    Now I'm wondering what the op deleted/originally wrote to provoke such interesting comments mid way thru 🤷‍♂️
    Mar 2, 2018 6
    • Qualcomm / Eng zHIy06
      Micropen*s ? Does this account for assault? Lawyer up #wetoo
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Qualtrics Ooooop
      Fair point? 😥
      Mar 2, 2018
    • LinkedIn orly
      @bellcurve to be fair, cover up could mean to hide the fact that you have a micro penis from other people.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Intel bellcurve
      Thanks Captain Obvious, I'm well aware of the figurative meaning.
      Mar 3, 2018
    • LinkedIn orly
      Well in that case, you knew her logic wasn’t faulty then.
      Mar 3, 2018
  • Twilio
    Poppy26

    Twilio

    BIO
    Grass is greener on the other side
    Poppy26more
    Yes you are
    Mar 2, 2018 1
    • Citibank / Product Brooke
      OP
      What would you say its a reasonable range?
      Mar 2, 2018
  • Splunk / Eng
    apoorpeon

    Splunk Eng

    BIO
    Engineering
    apoorpeonmore
    Yes you are.

    So am I. I do more work than most of the engineers one or two levels higher than me. Even though management is super nice, I feel my contribution is not appreciated and I am looking for a job now.
    Mar 2, 2018 9
    • Qualcomm / Eng zHIy06
      I wish I joined Google as a janitor when they started out and got shit ton of RSU and be 100 million +. But unfortunately as an engineer in 2018 (new joinee) the range is still much lower now.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng zHIy06
      Splunk why so much greed... it’s gonna take you same place after death as all of us
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Splunk / Eng
      apoorpeon

      Splunk Eng

      BIO
      Engineering
      apoorpeonmore
      It is not about the money, but about social justice and world order. LOL.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Qualcomm / Eng zHIy06
      Splunk we need social justice for many folks in lower and middle class and strip uppers and not just strippers. I support you for your quest for uniform basic income for all.. Let’s create a petition
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Allergan Zona
      Be mindful that you don't know what you don't know. Oftentimes, it comes down to how self-sufficient you are... not the time you put in. Likely, you take more of your manager's time and energy than your more senior members. If you are unhappy, definitely keep looking; however, if you are happy, but feeling undervalued, talk to your manager about steps you could take to grow toward self-sufficiency.
      Mar 10, 2018
  • eBay r654ghk
    Don't take salary advice from blind
    Mar 2, 2018 0
  • Qualcomm / Eng zHIy06
    Why can’t we print our own money and take home x millions if you need and then do the job that we all love to do.. everyone seems to be crying “Underpaid” even with 180 K Base salary
    Mar 2, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng ammierting
    Not trying to be snarky, but you get paid what you’re worth. If you think you’re worth more, go interview with higher payers. FANG are actually not the highest, several fin techs in nyc pay significantly more for the right skill sets. If you pass their interviews and get the job, and they pay you more, then you’re worth more. If not, then you’re not. It might sound harsh; I’m really not trying to be an asshole, but sharing my genuine perspective. I hold myself to the same philosophy as well :)
    Mar 2, 2018 2
    • Citibank / Product Brooke
      OP
      I agree. That's why I'm trying to gain an understanding of what's out there. :)
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng ricewater
      If you get into FANG early, you can retire by now. Please compare median to median , and outlier to outlier
      Mar 2, 2018
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    • New Anamika
      You forgot to mention sexist and racist as well .
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Lattice Engines / Other kaching
      That is correct! Coding is the lowest level of Maslow's hierarchy in Silicon Valley.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Intel bellcurve
      Is this how you motivate and lead the SW devs at Citibank? This sounds more like an unhinged Facebook post from a disgruntled high school girl. Revenge of the nerds, baby. Deal with it. You probably are overpaid.
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Flagged by the community.

  • Oracle / Eng fb 69
    New grad here at oracle takes home 188k TC
    Mar 2, 2018 11
    • Cisco oD2ftc
      I'm at Meraki. Pay is way better than Cisco, and they have a very different culture.
      Mar 3, 2018
    • Oracle blizzards
      Why disappointing others with throwing fake numbers? What’s the purpose?
      Mar 3, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng Ejbshd
      Not fake numbers. I joined as fresh phd and got 210k TC.
      Mar 3, 2018
    • Oracle blizzards
      So better to tell all surrounding facts
      PhD , probably cloud org and so
      I don’t think question was about a PhD joining cloud
      Mar 3, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng Ejbshd
      Just trying to say it is not fake numbers. And 180k TC is the standard package for fresh MS from top U this year, not just cloud org, also in DB FA etc. College hires have different budget pool.
      Mar 3, 2018
  • Tesla / Eng NtHK67
    Brooke, you’re not underpaid. I’m an experienced SWE paid 50% of what you take home and your job is to just talk. You’re in for a reality check when you search for your next job.
    Mar 3, 2018 1
    • Overpaid and complaining about it...
      Mar 3, 2018
  • Intel hipdip
    You are a PM. You are overpaid at any rate.
    Mar 2, 2018 1
  • Lyft sUPA43
    You (all of you) are paid exactly what you deserve since you agreed to this pay.
    Mar 2, 2018 2
    • Citibank / Product Brooke
      OP
      What did you agree to?
      Mar 2, 2018
    • Lyft sUPA43
      To work for this exact pay, it's in the contract.
      Mar 5, 2018
  • Tesla PlaidChain
    Overpaid..if ure complaining....quit
    Mar 2, 2018 1
    • Cisco yUYw72
      I don't understand what you're trying to say. I quit.
      Mar 6, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng Apuemzxbxm
    You are clearly overpaid in NYC.
    Mar 2, 2018 0