Amazon low comp?

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engisquir

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engisquirmore
Mar 26 29 Comments

I am talking with Amazon about SDM position.
It seems according to the posts here that 160k salary and 350k TC are considered good for this position.

I am quite surprised. In Facebook M1/E6 (maps to SDM per levels.fyi) gets 210k salary, 700k TC.

Is all Amazon comp so bad or just management?

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  • Microsoft / Finance Dunph
    I don't think E6 gets 700k? I thought it's closer to 500k
    Mar 26 4
    • Facebook / Mgmt
      engisquir

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      engisquirmore
      OP
      E5 with experience gets 500k (since stock price went so much up). Maybe new ones get less.
      Mar 26
    • Microsoft / Finance Dunph
      Oh I mean if you count stock appreciation...
      Mar 26
    • Facebook / Mgmt
      engisquir

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      engisquirmore
      OP
      Well, Amazon stock appreciates similar to Facebook
      Mar 26
    • Google / Eng
      zQgN83

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      zQgN83more
      you mean "has appreciated".
      Past performance certainly doesn't imply future performance in the stock market.
      Mar 27
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    gullyboi

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    gullyboimore
    Facebook does not shell out 2M stocks for E6 lol. I doubt that even happens for E7.
    Mar 26 11
    • Amazon gyqhjb
      What are your yearly grant amounts at time of grant. Not counting stock appreciation or initial sign on grant.
      Mar 26
    • Amazon Cynimist
      There are Amazon L6 SDMs making in the 500s-600s with stock price appreciation too. Not super useful comparison point.
      Mar 26
    • Amazon / Eng Yolo!
      Exactly, I made 400k as an SDE2. Does FB pay SDE2’s 400k? Just saying..
      Mar 26
    • Facebook YMVM33
      Many sde2 get hired as e5 at fb. It is not uncommon to have 400k as e5 at fb
      Mar 27
    • Amazon gyqhjb
      E5 is equivalent to SDE3 L6 at Amazon. If an SDE2 is getting hired as E5 that is a promotion. But the comp diff isn’t huge if you’re compare equivalent levels. Also make sure you take location into account. 400k in the Bay Area is much less actual take home compared to 400k in Seattle.
      Mar 27
  • Amazon bybyamzn
    Now you know why Amazon is not tier 1 company. That’s not surprising.
    Mar 26 0
  • Amazon gyqhjb
    You’re comparing your stock appreciation TC to a new hire TC. Not a valid comparison. Compare new hire FB offers to Amazon new hire offers. I’m sure FB is a little higher but not to the magnitude you’re stating
    Mar 26 0
  • Google topCon
    Op, are you delusional? So in your world if your TC tripled due to stock growth, you're expecting a match from an offer TC? Put that bong down please. Unless you're moving up two levels, stay put.
    Mar 26 1
    • Amazon / Eng Yolo!
      Daimmmmmmm!
      Mar 26
  • Amazon amazons
    For those numbers you would need to interview as an L7
    Mar 26 0
  • Amazon / Eng Yolo!
    All this will cliff out for most people in the next couple of years, my TC as SDE2 was 400k+ due to stock appreciation and I’m still making that much as SDE3. But I expect to cliff after couple of years when all the juicy grants end and reality hits based on grants given at today’s price.

    I rate myself as an above average engineer who gets things done, but I’m certain no one would have paid me 400k+ as an SDE2 maybe as an SDE3, but I wouldn’t get that outside. It’s a golden cuff, so I’m biding my time resting and vesting, practicing leetcode and will jump when I hit the cliff.
    Mar 26 2
    • Google bantaiii
      Wait for this year's perf. If you are TT you might be enticed with what they offer in year '19 and '20. Yet another golden handcuff. Also Sde 3 at Amazon means complete independence of what you want to do and how you want to run it. So keep that in mind before venturing out. Was previously Sr.Sde when I left Amazon.
      Mar 26
    • Amazon / Eng Yolo!
      I agree with your assessment on the complete independence part and also on the wait on watch cause there is still time. Thank You, what I said above is the nuclear option if the cliff is too bad to digest :)

      It sounds like you are missing the independence you had at Amazon? If you don’t mind, could you elaborate on that?
      Mar 26
  • Amazon awssdm
    Are you M1? What’s your current TC? Why look at levels fyi
    Mar 26 2
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      engisquir

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      engisquirmore
      OP
      Look at levels.fyi because I don't work at Amazon. My current TC is in the post
      Mar 26
    • Amazon awssdm
      In that case, what the above said is true: nobody will match your stock appreciation. They don’t call them golden handcuffs for nothing
      Mar 26
  • Amazon Cynimist
    Bay Area L6 SDM comp goes to 450k target. Facebook M1 goes to around 500k for new offers. Both can likely go 10-15% higher with an exception. If you want to compare stock price appreciation inflated comp, L6 at Amazon (external hires from 2-3 years back) are easily in the high 500s/low 600s range, vs. your quoted 700k TC. In short, the differences are much less than you are making out by comparing realized comp in Bay Area to current target comp in Seattle (and even that 350k number is not top of band for external offers).
    Mar 26 0