Amazon vs Apple offer

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Nov 14, 2018 17 Comments

Trying to decide which one I should choose
Both are in bay area, and I'm an QA Engineer w/ 10 YOE

Amazon - QAE2
Base = 165k
Sign on = 32k 1st yr / 20k 2nd year
RSU = 35 units (56k by today's market value)
Vesting cycle. 5% 15% 40% 40%
Total comp = 192k

Apple - ICT3
Base = 130k
Sign on = 20k
RSU = 105k (vests every 6 mo)
Target Annual cash bonus = 10%
Total comp = 174k

On the surface, amazon seems higher but there are some unknowns which can be big factors.
1. Apple recruiter mentioned that there's performance bonus in RSU roughly around 25k annually depending on performance. Is this true?
2. Amazon has no cash bonus, and their performance bonus in RSU is only about 5% of the base salary which kicks in from year 3 b/c I get sign on bonus for the first 2 years.
3. I hear Amazon doesn't really increase your base salary annually. What about Apple?
4. How easy is it to get promoted?
5. Working culture. I hear amazon is really tough place to work. Is this true?

These are final offers numbers from both companies

Anyone has answers to my questions?

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TOP 17 Comments
  • Google eDJS71
    Go for Apple 1000%. Amazon is a death trap of suffering and despair.
    Nov 14, 2018 1
    • Amazon xbsIdLSh
      Seconded. Please don’t work here.
      Nov 15, 2018
  • Netflix Soups
    Apple. Good refreshers. Good WLB in software. More prestigious.
    Nov 14, 2018 3
    • Have to disagree on more prestigious. I would take Amazon on more comp, prestige. Don't take Amazon if you won't work hard, though. Amazon hires and fires easier than many; that's one reason vesting is structured this way. Base is fixed in bayarea at 165k at all levels.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • New / Eng @!!!!
      Amazon is prestigious for L6 & beyond. Otherwise barrier for entry is not that high.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Google topCon
      Amazon more prestigious than Apple? Doubtful. Workers are treated like livestock. How prestige is that?
      Nov 15, 2018
  • Amazon
    AmOrca2019

    Amazon

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    Go to Apple
    Nov 14, 2018 0
  • Amazon PAxv45
    if you want to have a life outside of work do not go to Amazon.
    Nov 14, 2018 0
  • Google topCon
    Apple, for one reason: awesome refreshers.
    Nov 14, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng Marijuana
    Come to Apple, the stock has some ways up to go.
    Nov 14, 2018 0
  • Boeing / Ops Airbus
    Apple
    Nov 14, 2018 0
  • Apple Ymczta
    Apple
    Nov 14, 2018 0
  • Apple by a mile.
    Nov 14, 2018 0
  • Apple Derric
    1. Apple recruiter mentioned that there's performance bonus in RSU roughly around 25k annually depending on performance. Is this true? -- that's a conservative number, refresh are usually 70- 100K for ICT3

    2. Amazon has no cash bonus, and their performance bonus in RSU is only about 5% of the base salary which kicks in from year 3 b/c I get sign on bonus for the first 2 years. -- that sucks

    3. I hear Amazon doesn't really increase your base salary annually. What about Apple? -- yes, increases 2-3 % yoy

    4. How easy is it to get promoted? - Fairly easy to get to ICT4 in 2-3 yrs
    Nov 14, 2018 1
    • Illumio BroCodeGuy
      What about getting to ICT 5 ? from ICT4
      Sep 6
  • Amazon dpqx34
    Which one you joined?
    Aug 1 0
  • Amazon azmix
    I don’t know about Apple, at Amazon you can take a couple of career paths QAE2 -> QAE3 -> QAM -> SDM or QAE2 -> TPM2...
    Nov 14, 2018 0