I live in Seattle and interviewed with Amazon, after some negotiation got the final offer but it is a low one.. most likely barely made it or I'm being overpaid.. even considering snap RSUs for the next year at $10 I would be taking a ~$100k TC pay cut, don't have FAANG on the resume so I'm thinking: is it worth it from a career perspective?
- Amazon fHQu87Amazon is not worth $100K pay cut. It is a terrible company to work for on wlb, so your hourly wage will be less even if the salary were the same. But $100K pay cut?
Can i ask: do you suck at negotiating? How is it that they made you an offer that far off the mark? Just tell them they need to match or else.
- I have heard from Amazon recruiters that they are explicitly underpaying and under-leveling candidates now compared to a year or two ago.
Attrition has come down substantially and they have fewer open slots. So they are playing hardball with candidates.
Your offer reflects that. Now is a bad time to join Amazon.
There is nothing magical about Amazon. Some teams are good. Some teams suck. Just like every other company.
- Amazon / Mgmt awsfartI’m sorry. But as an Amazon HM, this isn’t true. If I’m making an offer it’s because I want the candidate to accept it. I’m going to do everything in my power to make their pay fair, and hopefully give them more. I level candidates to the bar— we have a company program called bar raisers that ensure I’m consistent.
Plus, there is no advantage to me in underleveling or underpaying someone. I’m given headcount to manage my team, not a salary budget. I could hire 60 principals with my headcount or a mix of levels.
I’m sorry Amazon couldn’t compete for you OP. I do know people who took an equivalent pay cut to come here. I’ve never seen it for a name on the resume, but to change technology and learn our business. As others have pointed out though; there are many ways to do this.Apr 4, 2018 4
- Dear sir or madam.
It is definitely true. This offer is one data point. There are many others like this. Including direct conversations with VPs at Amazon. Dig deeper and you will find out.
It is also makes economic sense for a company to be less aggressive with comp when they have less attrition and fewer open headcount. I am not blaming Amazon for this.
If Amazon didn’t behave this way, they would be a wasteful company. Amazon has frugality as one of its leadership principles. You don’t think that applies to HR? 🤔
- What? It sounds like OP didn’t do a great job at negotiating. They could have shared their current comp and at least get equal. If an HM wants you, they’ll give you an equal, or most times, better comp than you currently have.
Either the HM didn’t know what OP was currently making (they’re mistake), or they’re not a priority candidate. Pick your poison.
For reference, I got a good amount more than the normal returning intern offer because I shared my offers at other companies.
- Amazon heyHere’s how this works. You spend your first 1-1.5 years in blind, crippling anger. Technically, you can’t graduate from this phase until you locate 3-5 people who are more responsible for accepting your shitty offer than you are. Finally, you’re up for promo, and you probably get it. You experience exactly 5 seconds of non-angst. Then you get your comp adjustment. It is a 10% raise. You resist the urge to blow the whole thing on a flight to Spokane and reserve your wealth for other luxuries, like a Costco membership. You never use it, because there is no time. At this point, you get courted by Microsoft, receive the offer you’ve been groomed to accept, and don’t do the thing you came to do: get more FAANG jobs. In a year, you call it a wash and go back to Snapchat.
See you Monday?
- Microsoft kiyQ24Sure it is! Does snap has a future? If you get laid off from snap, you might regret letting this go off. Join them and leave after 1-2 years if you don't like the team or culture. Exit options would be much better imo
- New moxyknoxI agree with this👆
Snap is on unknown ground and overly generous packages distributed around IPO aren’t helping their situation, hence the layoffs. Amazon is likely more at your market rate than maybe what you’re currently earning... (Sorry, but my Snap friends ran into this too)
- Amazon / Eng WiseA$$moreNope plain and simple. My advise to you is join a team and do not join a company. You could join one of the top four and end up doing very mundane work that does not help you grow, so big 4 for the sake of big 4 is not a great idea. Just watch where you step and do not take a pay cut unless you are getting something you value more in return.
- New techyogiAmazon opens no doors. Snap is as good. Why would you take a cut to join amazon and screw wlb? Besides it will be much more than a 100k cut when the stock goes south and their accounting shenanigans take the limelight, usps renegotiates their contract in oct and Washington goes after them similar to what Microsoft faced few decades ago.
- Yeah, that image appears to be promoting suicide. Not cool.
- Amazon Amazon_O_GAnd are the RSUs vesting this year that will give you that $100k the same amount that will be vesting annually in the foreseeable future or is this next year’s vesting an anomaly. I think more detail is needed because being this far off verse your current total comp sounds odd.
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- Amazon qQTo52Is this really $100k per year? Or over x years? If you haven’t, you need to lay out your expected comp per year at snap and have recruiter help you build similar for amazon offer with conservative stock growth as an assumption. Just curious if you expressed comp expectations before your interviews?
- Amazon / Eng AmazonieerDefinatly not worth taking a pay cut. Your package doesn’t change so much when you are inside because Amazon is offering you 4 years package plan at time of joining. Getting promoted is itself a whole different game to increase base pay but RSUs are only tied up with your annual performance review