Amazon worth $100k pay cut?

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Apr 4, 2018 79 Comments

I live in Seattle and interviewed with Amazon, after some negotiation got the final offer but it is a low one.. most likely barely made it or I'm being overpaid.. even considering snap RSUs for the next year at $10 I would be taking a ~$100k TC pay cut, don't have FAANG on the resume so I'm thinking: is it worth it from a career perspective?

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  • Google angrydude
    Amazon is not worth $50k increase
    Apr 4, 2018 2
    • Amazon
      TyYt34

      Amazon

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      TyYt34more
      Haha
      Apr 4, 2018
    • Amazon / Ops Heyno
      Agreed
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Amazon fHQu87
    Amazon is not worth $100K pay cut. It is a terrible company to work for on wlb, so your hourly wage will be less even if the salary were the same. But $100K pay cut?

    Can i ask: do you suck at negotiating? How is it that they made you an offer that far off the mark? Just tell them they need to match or else.
    Apr 4, 2018 1
  • AT&T / Eng
    DDM2K

    AT&T Eng

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    DDM2Kmore
    Amazon isn’t the A in FANG you want.
    Apr 4, 2018 5
    • New / Eng
      jesus.cpp

      New Eng

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      jesus.cppmore
      Apple
      Apr 4, 2018
    • Apple nickrhoads
      Apple? Hell to the no.
      Apr 4, 2018
    • New / Eng
      jesus.cpp

      New Eng

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      jesus.cppmore
      AT&T?
      Apr 4, 2018
    • AT&T / Eng
      DDM2K

      AT&T Eng

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      DDM2Kmore
      Yes. Lol
      Apr 4, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Hooliganssmore
      Lol
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Revinate JPQ
    Should a career perspective override a life perspective? It's not worth it.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • New / Eng
    jesus.cpp

    New Eng

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    jesus.cppmore
    I have heard from Amazon recruiters that they are explicitly underpaying and under-leveling candidates now compared to a year or two ago.

    Attrition has come down substantially and they have fewer open slots. So they are playing hardball with candidates.

    Your offer reflects that. Now is a bad time to join Amazon.

    There is nothing magical about Amazon. Some teams are good. Some teams suck. Just like every other company.
    Apr 4, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Mgmt awsfart
      I’m sorry. But as an Amazon HM, this isn’t true. If I’m making an offer it’s because I want the candidate to accept it. I’m going to do everything in my power to make their pay fair, and hopefully give them more. I level candidates to the bar— we have a company program called bar raisers that ensure I’m consistent.

      Plus, there is no advantage to me in underleveling or underpaying someone. I’m given headcount to manage my team, not a salary budget. I could hire 60 principals with my headcount or a mix of levels.

      I’m sorry Amazon couldn’t compete for you OP. I do know people who took an equivalent pay cut to come here. I’ve never seen it for a name on the resume, but to change technology and learn our business. As others have pointed out though; there are many ways to do this.
      Apr 4, 2018
    • New / Eng
      jesus.cpp

      New Eng

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      jesus.cppmore
      Dear sir or madam.

      It is definitely true. This offer is one data point. There are many others like this. Including direct conversations with VPs at Amazon. Dig deeper and you will find out.

      It is also makes economic sense for a company to be less aggressive with comp when they have less attrition and fewer open headcount. I am not blaming Amazon for this.

      If Amazon didn’t behave this way, they would be a wasteful company. Amazon has frugality as one of its leadership principles. You don’t think that applies to HR? 🤔
      Apr 4, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      What? It sounds like OP didn’t do a great job at negotiating. They could have shared their current comp and at least get equal. If an HM wants you, they’ll give you an equal, or most times, better comp than you currently have.

      Either the HM didn’t know what OP was currently making (they’re mistake), or they’re not a priority candidate. Pick your poison.

      For reference, I got a good amount more than the normal returning intern offer because I shared my offers at other companies.
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Amazon hey
    Here’s how this works. You spend your first 1-1.5 years in blind, crippling anger. Technically, you can’t graduate from this phase until you locate 3-5 people who are more responsible for accepting your shitty offer than you are. Finally, you’re up for promo, and you probably get it. You experience exactly 5 seconds of non-angst. Then you get your comp adjustment. It is a 10% raise. You resist the urge to blow the whole thing on a flight to Spokane and reserve your wealth for other luxuries, like a Costco membership. You never use it, because there is no time. At this point, you get courted by Microsoft, receive the offer you’ve been groomed to accept, and don’t do the thing you came to do: get more FAANG jobs. In a year, you call it a wash and go back to Snapchat.

    See you Monday?
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon Ujhy23
    Many will take $100k cut to leave Amazon
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Papowizb
    I don’t think it’s 100K difference. Tell us breakdown or you’re full of shit.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft kiyQ24
    Sure it is! Does snap has a future? If you get laid off from snap, you might regret letting this go off. Join them and leave after 1-2 years if you don't like the team or culture. Exit options would be much better imo
    Apr 4, 2018 1
    • I agree with this👆
      Snap is on unknown ground and overly generous packages distributed around IPO aren’t helping their situation, hence the layoffs. Amazon is likely more at your market rate than maybe what you’re currently earning... (Sorry, but my Snap friends ran into this too)
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Hader

    Microsoft Eng

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    Hadermore
    Hell no
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    WiseA$$

    Amazon Eng

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    WiseA$$more
    Nope plain and simple. My advise to you is join a team and do not join a company. You could join one of the top four and end up doing very mundane work that does not help you grow, so big 4 for the sake of big 4 is not a great idea. Just watch where you step and do not take a pay cut unless you are getting something you value more in return.
    Apr 4, 2018 1
    • New / Eng
      jesus.cpp

      New Eng

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      jesus.cppmore
      Spot on. People chasing “brands” on their resume will regret this, when they work in a shitty FANG team making $100k less and working OT.
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Snapchat Xbeo
    I wouldn’t go to amazon if they doubled my salary lol. This is a ridiculous question. If you really really hate your manager, then just go, but damn, find a startup or something fun.
    Apr 5, 2018 0
  • Amazon mbhv75
    I absolutely love working for amazon but I wouldn’t think twice about leaving for an extra 100k
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon hLED85
    No. Also there is nothing here to learn. Just having it on resume not worth any cut.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Mgmt Kaiju17
    Regardless of the company, why would this be worth it? What's the payback plan for this cost? I'm incredulous about the thinking here...

    Btw I have a Nigerian prince who wants to meet you about a great financial opportunity ;)
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon opens no doors. Snap is as good. Why would you take a cut to join amazon and screw wlb? Besides it will be much more than a 100k cut when the stock goes south and their accounting shenanigans take the limelight, usps renegotiates their contract in oct and Washington goes after them similar to what Microsoft faced few decades ago.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • New / Mgmt BUWs74
    Fuck ‘em.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon Amazon_Kid
    No.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • New lahwa
    Brb taking six figure paycut to go to a less prestigious company
    Apr 4, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Hader

      Microsoft Eng

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      Hadermore
      ^5’ 6” Indian?
      Apr 4, 2018
    • New lahwa
      I dont care much for prestige i mean snap opens more doors
      Apr 4, 2018
  • Amazon OTdS88
    Hell no
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Product Ikwndiej
    Tell them they are $100k short and see if they come back with a better offer
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • New / Design chuckE
    I don’t even make $100k. Konzept of $100k cut is too mind-boggling for me
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon Ptcrsw
    Faang is just hype of media. If you get good work and good money anywhere ...
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Lyft / Eng
    No
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • CareerBuilder AgnewsHead
    lol no
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Papowizb
    Break down the offer and your current offer. People conflate tc all the time with estimated tc.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • New / Design CasMeOusid
    Yeah, that image appears to be promoting suicide. Not cool.
    Apr 26, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng 800GOTJUNK
      It is not promoting, you should clearly see it is a sarcasm on how people think it is a solution but it is not.

      Just.like joining Amazon for a 100k paycut.
      Apr 26, 2018
    • New / Design CasMeOusid
      Sorry, image not clear at all. Artist should be beaten with a stick
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng 800GOTJUNK
    Don't do it.
    Apr 26, 2018 2
    • Facebook ByeFelicia
      Don't get the image
      Apr 26, 2018
    • Microsoft wfhome
      The image means things looks great if you choose to commit suicide. Everything else looks bleak.
      Apr 26, 2018
  • Amazon MrWer888
    Don't do it
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon vqpB04
    Amazon isn't worth the 100k increase
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Facebook Shenellica
    No ... The fuck?!
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft wlb
    I think the concern is the layoffs in snap. Why don’t you go to a better company like google and facebook? (yes they are definitely hiring) For snap you should be able to pass those interviews.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon
    Pen island

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    Pen islandmore
    Don't do it, they are down leveling you and low balling the desperate.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon Pssst
    If you are not in a desperate situation, don't take such a huge cut. Negotiate with them.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Time2chang
    100K is over how many years? If its per year then you shouldn't take a pay cut for any company unless you are in desperate situation.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon Amazon_O_G
    And are the RSUs vesting this year that will give you that $100k the same amount that will be vesting annually in the foreseeable future or is this next year’s vesting an anomaly. I think more detail is needed because being this far off verse your current total comp sounds odd.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng bbcjgdc
    Nope
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon TreeFiddy!
    Not worth it.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
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    • Amazon sIGU40
      How did you convince yourself it was a good move?
      Apr 6, 2018
  • Amazon / Product Hgffffh
    Tell them they are $100k short of your current comp
    Nov 20, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Product Hgffffh
    No
    Nov 20, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Mgmt 🏂soon
    Absolutely not.
    Nov 18, 2018 0
  • Amazon thealpha
    Did you join amazon? How much the pay cut would have been at $6.49 SNAP? What do you project until next April?
    Nov 18, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng jjccghn
    No.
    Apr 26, 2018 0
  • Intuit Soliloquy
    Nope
    Apr 26, 2018 0
  • Amazon AMZSDE2
    Lol no
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon lambos
    Shame on you OP for asking the obvious. Fishing for comments and likes.
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon qQTo52
    Is this really $100k per year? Or over x years? If you haven’t, you need to lay out your expected comp per year at snap and have recruiter help you build similar for amazon offer with conservative stock growth as an assumption. Just curious if you expressed comp expectations before your interviews?
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    WaduHek

    Amazon Eng

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    Riot Games, Audible
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    Some SDE2 pleb that works in Seattle
    WaduHekmore
    I've said this to a lot of folks who ask about Amazon - don't work here if the money is a worry. I can't understand how Amazon expects to retain top tier talent if they consistently undervalue them (relative to FANG / Microsoft)
    Apr 4, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng Amazonieer
    Definatly not worth taking a pay cut. Your package doesn’t change so much when you are inside because Amazon is offering you 4 years package plan at time of joining. Getting promoted is itself a whole different game to increase base pay but RSUs are only tied up with your annual performance review
    Apr 4, 2018 0

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