Canada vs US locations

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userg

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Sep 10, 2017 25 Comments

How is the software engineering tech scene in Vancouver/Torronto area? Given opportunity within Microsoft, Salesforce, Okta would you settle in Canada long term or would prefer US locations? What are the parameters you would consider?

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  • Microsoft Bad Hombre
    For one, it's nearly impossible to buy a house in Vancouver, much more expensive than Seattle or even Bay Area from what I hear.
    Sep 10, 2017 2
    • Microsoft Mrmt08
      Not true, it is cheaper than Bay Area
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Microsoft 老板黄鹤
      ^ Maybe cheaper, but the pay here is one thirds.
      Sep 10, 2017
  • Microsoft UuUuUuU
    Lots of things to consider.
    1. Are you an American or Canadian citizen (or green card or PR card holder)? Or are you on a visa?
    2. Vancouver and Toronto are WAY different. In terms of location, culture, work opportunities, industries...
    3. Microsoft doesn't have developer jobs outside of Redmond and some limited jobs in Vancouver. If you want to work for MS in Canada, its more likely a job in the field.
    Sep 10, 2017 8
    • Microsoft / Eng
      userg

      Microsoft Eng

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      I am an Indian citizen.
      Sep 10, 2017
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    • Microsoft / Eng
      userg

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      @Eign : it's because we are from a far-off land and have lots of concerns and unknowns to be cleared. Don't take us wrong.
      Sep 10, 2017
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    • Microsoft / Eng
      userg

      Microsoft Eng

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      Don't worry, we make the next CEO :D
      Sep 11, 2017
  • Apple / Eng ApllsDBst
    The difference being “opportunity” vs “opportunities”. In TO and Van City you get paid less and still have very expensive housing. And don’t forget the cold winters in TO. Also far less opportunities.
    Sep 10, 2017 0
  • Salesforce / Eng
    GHjJejk

    Salesforce Eng

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    Speaking from experience Salesforce pays very well in Canada compared to other companies. New grads range around 140cad definitely before you go into any of these get an offer with someone else to negotiate. In comparison though new grads in sf will get around 180usd for Salesforce.
    Sep 11, 2017 4
    • Salesforce confuseddd
      What is the base/rsu breakdown? I didn't get anywhere close to 180
      Sep 12, 2017
    • Salesforce / Eng
      GHjJejk

      Salesforce Eng

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      Amazon
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      From what I heard from interns with return offers it's 130-135k base 25k signing bonus 60k rsu + 10% bonus for amts and mts.

      I don't know how that changes though if you just get it straight out of college.
      Sep 12, 2017
    • Salesforce confuseddd
      Thanks. I wasn't thinking about the signing bonus.

      That is still a really great starting offer though
      Sep 13, 2017
    • Salesforce bueller123
      New grads paid $180K? Damn I started as LMTS and wasn't paid that much
      Sep 17, 2017
  • Adobe anchology
    I'm from Toronto and moved to the bay. Limited opportunity in TO by far, no contest.
    Sep 10, 2017 2
    • Microsoft UuUuUuU
      Things have improved a lot in the last 2-3 years. Now, Toronto is a center for AI and much more
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng
      biddut

      Microsoft Eng

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      biddutmore
      Not really. Though future looks more promising.

      A Senior Dev at Spotify or other good companies makes $110-$120k in Toronto. In Microsoft/US, a fresh grad makes that much.
      Sep 11, 2017
  • Okta KWnR14
    Smaller company = more breadth of experience = better learning opportunity = better career trajectory
    Jan 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Gintama

    Microsoft Eng

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    Gintamamore
    There are very few jobs for non Canadians / non Americans that is what I found out when I was searching for jobs . I love maple syrup !
    Sep 16, 2017 0
  • Okta / Eng TMcK
    Why pick these three companies?
    Sep 10, 2017 0
  • Upgrade / Other sfbayarea
    Join Upgrade.com and get into politics here. 😎
    Sep 10, 2017 0

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