Cloud ES team within Microsoft Azure PIE group? Please explain.

Twitter raefel
Jul 2, 2018 21 Comments

What does the Cloud ES team within Azure PIE group at Microsoft exactly do?What does "ES" stand for? Engr. Services or Eco System or something else?
I found that it deals with developing services for monitoring and app diagnostics. If that is true, are these internal services or external, customer facing services? Will this be a great career move in the cloud space as a SDE? Please provide insight.

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  • Microsoft / Eng
    Soylearnt

    Microsoft Eng

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    Soylearntmore
    A monitoring team has been moved under ES. Todd Curtiss moved from Google SRE to Azure and rebranded the SRE org. The org has nearly quadrupled in size but internally I am hearing they are bunch of overhead folks, preaching folks on how to do stuff but no one is taking notice of that. Other than some internal monitoring tools, the exact role and accountability of the ES team is unclear. SRE teams have been dismantled in many parts of MICROSOFT over years, let’s see how this one goes.
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • Twitter raefel
    OP
    So basically I won't be working on azure cloud services? In other words, my work won't be directly impacting users of Azure cloud services, instead my work will impact Azure service developers in their productivity. That means our team will be responsible for building/maintaining internal tools/infrastructure? Is that correct?
    Jul 2, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Soylearnt

      Microsoft Eng

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      If you have a service engineering background or SRE role, it maybe a good fit. If you want to be working on Azure services, look for jobs in Compute, Networking or Storage.
      Jul 2, 2018
    • Twitter raefel
      OP
      I am fairly new to the s/w industry and looking to make a background and I don't want to be into SRE/data center/devops type of roles. I thought the cloud ES team deals with developing monitoring/diagnostic services for Azure customers but from your response it looks like I am wrong so I would probably go look somewhere else! ☹️
      Jul 2, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Soylearnt

    Microsoft Eng

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    Soylearntmore
    Stay away
    Jul 2, 2018 2
    • Twitter raefel
      OP
      @Soylearnt: Why???? Please explain in detail.
      Jul 2, 2018
    • Twitter raefel
      OP
      @Soylearnt: what kind of work are they involved with? Is there no learning curve?
      Jul 2, 2018
  • Microsoft Gg1
    One of the useless org, does nothing but claim other org work to be theirs. Stay away from pie org, if HM is celest, then stay 100 miles away.
    Jul 2, 2018 1
    • Twitter FPJx47
      Are all the teams under PIE like what you described? I was hoping to get some good cloud service dev experience out of this! ☹️
      Jul 5, 2018
  • Microsoft d2009t228
    I have heard they have supportability sub org that does work on delivering customer facing support experience for all Azure services
    Nov 18, 2018 0
  • Microsoft pOvx85
    ?
    Jul 21, 2018 0
  • Intuit / Eng
    Bjtxfhts

    Intuit Eng

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    Bjtxfhtsmore
    Can someone put some more light on this team?
    Jul 16, 2018 0
  • Twitter raefel
    OP
    So is it a gamble to work there?
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • Twitter raefel
    OP
    "but internally I am hearing they are bunch of overhead folks, preaching folks on how to do stuff but no one is taking notice of that" Can you please elaborate this?
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • DocuSign SignDocu
    When the platform gets bigger day by day, it is more difficult to advance for sure. Majority of the Azure products rely on cloudes infra. How good they are depends on how u see it..
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • Twitter raefel
    OP
    This post is still open for people. I request you to write your perspective on this org and why should / should not I be working here?
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • Twitter raefel
    OP
    Oh thanks. Looks like a lot of livesite as well!
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Soylearnt

    Microsoft Eng

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    Soylearntmore
    Azure SRE took on some other charter (Geneva monitoring) and are now called Cloud ES (engineering services). Check Blind for Azure SRE org and posts would indicate that org has not been as effective in making changes.
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • Twitter raefel
    OP
    @Soylearnt @SignDocu ??
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • Twitter raefel
    OP
    @SignDocu what do you think on my other questions? Please share your detailed perspective. Will be helpful .
    Jul 2, 2018 0
  • DocuSign SignDocu
    I think engineering services
    Jul 2, 2018 0