Do you share TC with your coworkers?

Two Sigma / Eng timberlake
May 22 312 Comments

We all know that here at Blind, it’s TC or GTFO. But do you also talk about your pay with your coworkers? Why or why not?

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  • Tableau YwcI06
    Only the ladies!

    ... No, seriously, women in tech are underpaid. Knowing what peers are making helps negotiation.
    May 23 9
    • Two Sigma / Eng eary
      I've done this too, women seem to be less confident and less greedy and it hurts TC
      May 23
    • Pinterest LucyB
      Spent 11 years at Google and know for a fact I made more than most men at my level when I left.
      https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html
      May 23
    • Two Sigma / Eng eary
      A lot of the conversation around that article was about women being under promoted.

      It's also possible this is something like mansplaining on our part.
      May 23
    • Mirantis zNsi44
      This "documented systemic problem" was proven to not be non-existent when factors were accounted. Lookup glass door research, one of many.
      May 23
    • New / Eng
      jiiy43

      New Eng

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      HSBC
      jiiy43more
      I would be totally open to share my TC with my coworkers but it's always so awkward to start the conversation. Do you just straight up ask?
      Jun 19
  • Microsoft Specific
    Not sharing your TC helps businesses exploit you and your coworkers.
    May 22 3
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      That wasn’t the question
      May 23
    • New / Eng
      Psynaptic

      New Eng

      BIO
      Working on Brain Machine Interfaces
      Psynapticmore
      So? It's not like your comment is any more relevant to the question.
      May 23
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      Brilliant:)
      May 24
  • Tinder trolol
    Rarely. Don't want people to get jealous or resentful. It's also just not classy
    May 23 8
    • Dell uigi
      Tying your worth as an individual to how much others think you make is trashy. Giving people the data they need to get paid equal to their peers is not trashy.
      May 23
    • Tinder trolol
      Agree to disagree. The only person I've told my TC in years is my spouse. Not even my parents know my TC. Whether or not you think it's trashy, many people do ascribe their self-worth to their financial success. From a purely social pov it's smarter to not talk about it.
      May 23
    • Unity / Data
      Mr. Bate

      Unity Data

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      Mr. Batemore
      Wow. Unironically using the word "classy" has to be the saddest thing I've seen on this app.
      May 23
    • Greenshades Software hpDA23
      You're confusing self-worth with the market value of your time. Your compensation is literally the value the company places on your bring there. The only thing that benefits from keeping it a secret is the company's bottom line.
      May 24
  • Ricoh dilligaf
    Hell no. Not only is it prohibited, it's tacky imho.
    May 23 10
    • Ricoh dilligaf
      I actually never took the time to figure out whether it was really prohibited or not, ie illegal. However, it's been our corporate culture for so many years that I never really gave it a second thought. I guess that means the employers win.
      May 25
    • Procore tbradysuxs
      All across the US you can discuss your pay unless you sign a contest that says otherwise. People can always discuss the conditions of the workplace which includes pay, frustrations with management etc.
      May 27
    • Pinterest kGHH34
      What kind of asinine idiot thinks its liberals that block your ability to discuss compensation
      Jun 6
    • Nvidia bitcoineow
      Same ones that work at Pinterest
      Jun 6
    • Intuit RammyG
      Talking about compensation is protect by federal law.
      Jun 6
  • New / Eng
    pineappple

    New Eng

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    Deloitte
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    DevOps Engineering is real thing.
    pineappplemore
    Coworker told me once. He has 12 yoe and I have 3. I make way more than him. This is why you don't talk about TC with your coworkers.
    May 23 10
    • Facebook blueriver
      Anxiety when you thought he made more, relief when less? Why so emotionally invested in this?
      May 23
    • Apple gWND05
      That’s fucking awful for you to not tell him or follow up with managers to negotiate a raise on his behalf. It shows you don’t respect him enough and are greedy
      May 24
    • Cisco / Product
      dw3!abG

      Cisco Product

      BIO
      🔥Oooo that dress so scandalous, know another brother couldn't handle this 🔥
      dw3!abGmore
      Negotiate a raise on someone else’s behalf? Is this real? I would never do that unless a direct report and I was making a case for their impact to be worth $x
      May 26
    • AnchorFree / Eng 🍪 cookie
      You should have told him at least, that the market has changed in the last 10 years while he was working his butt and not paid attention or did any research about the wages.
      May 27
    • AnchorFree / Eng 🍪 cookie
      P.S. 12yoe 160 TC because of people like you who never told me to look up past Glassdoor 🤣😂😅

      jk,I don't blame anyone except my stupidity.
      but you get the point...

      Now be a good friend and go tell him he deserves a raise 😋😊
      May 27
  • Airbnb woFr6L
    Yes, with really good friends
    May 22 6
    • Airbnb woFr6L
      Sure. I have the same base as yours and 20% more equity
      May 22
    • Two Sigma / Eng timberlake
      OP
      I’m confused. I don’t have any equity!
      May 22
    • Airbnb woFr6L
      That means we have the same TC. 120% * 0 = 0
      May 22
    • Two Sigma / Eng timberlake
      OP
      Good, I would’ve been mad 😡
      May 22
    • Microsoft / Data _john_doe
      Best comment thread ever lol
      May 23
  • Facebook ⭕w⭕
    Yeah, but only for bedtalk.
    May 22 1
  • Never share comp with anyone in your circle ⭕️ .. it will either lead to ego issues or cause unnecessary insecurity. That’s why blind was invented - do it here
    May 23 3
    • New
      AquaMayne

      New

      BIO
      Tc = broke. Education: the Derek Zoolander school for kids who can’t read and want to do other stuff good too
      AquaMaynemore
      But first multiply it by 1.6 , then share it here.
      May 23
    • Salesforce Zed12
      Yup, I always share my salary after I convert to the metric system.
      May 24
    • New / R&D zipzap1
      “I’m a new grad making 350k at big N, am I doing ok”

      *eyebrow wiggle*
      May 24
  • Blackstone / Eng wfjsk
    The only person that benefits from you not sharing TC is your employer. Who wants to pay everyone as little as possible
    May 23 2
    • Facebook Sffffft
      Meh. You guys talk about it EVERYWHERE anyway so one could keep quiet and just read. *shrug*
      May 23
    • SeatGeek gGqW85
      IDK about that
      May 31
  • Cisco / Product U there
    Do you? At TS
    May 22 12
    • Amazon vriP37
      If E5 is a junior a E6 is a head. How do you draw that line? Our of curiosity what is an average YoE for an E5? I wouldn't say L6 at Amazon is a junior that's a senior role. It's not really senior senior but def not a junior.
      May 23
    • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
      I draw the line there because it's the level where everyone is sort of expected to reach with time, while a promotion above that is something many people never get. Generally correlates to significant management duties but not necessarily.
      May 23
    • Two Sigma / Eng timberlake
      OP
      I was referring to all of those things: yoe, level, management duties, etc. The higher up they are the less I know about how much they make.
      May 23
    • Cisco / Product U there
      Wonder what a VP make at TS
      May 24
    • Two Sigma / Eng timberlake
      OP
      You can be a VP after 5 years at the company so my TC should be in the ballpark
      May 24
  • Seagate toti420
    No! Only those with small ***** flash their TC to coworkers.
    May 22 4
    • Microsoft Specific
      Good company shill, shame harder.
      May 22
    • Cruise Automation OEia63
      Til: seagate is still a thing
      May 23
    • Seagate toti420
      Where the f you think all the data including these conversations on Blind are stored? That’s right, Seagate hard drives. Idiot.
      May 23
    • Cruise Automation OEia63
      Lol triggered
      May 23
  • Amazon foreverL5
    I’m good at reading people, so for honest people I will tell them anything they want to know.

    Then there are snakes at work who mark up their TC by 30%... not even worth talking to.
    May 22 6
    • Amazon / Data pozbuw
      Hahha is 30% markup an avg?
      May 23
    • Facebook tasmen
      Why do you think the “snakes” are marking up their TC but not the “honest” people hiding their real TC from you?
      May 23
    • Amazon foreverL5
      Not sharing is better than lying. People who lie generally feel vulnerable about their salary, or simply want to feel superior to you and exaggerate their actual pay.
      May 23
    • Two Sigma / Eng timberlake
      OP
      How do you know they’re lying though?
      May 23
    • Microsoft
      jYCKmD

      Microsoft

      PRE
      Google, Facebook, TuneIn, Cisco
      jYCKmDmore
      Tupeé fallacy
      May 24
  • Amazon engineer86
    Thanks to blind i already have a pretty good idea on how much my coworkers making based on their level
    May 23 7
    • Cox Automotive Fake-name
      I don't understand those liars either.

      TC: 32 Billion
      May 23
    • Cadence / Product
      luna.

      Cadence Product

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      luna.more
      I dont think people lie on blind .. people find it hard to accept high TC thats all..
      May 23
    • NetApp / Eng GmQX46
      Is blind really blind? Maybe that's the fear...
      May 23
    • Dropbox iLUo57
      It is until a leak, yeah?
      May 23
    • Sometimes when you get an offer, you may not want to quote the exact numbers, afraid that the hiring company's recruiting team is here watching and may identify you. I nevers lied about TC here but just think it can be a good reason to tweak the numbers...
      May 23
  • Okta 9j6Hk75
    i lie to them about my TC and leave fake pay stubs laying around to sow discontent.
    May 23 1
  • WeWork Gdic84
    I always do. It only empowers us all.
    May 23 10
    • Nvidia / Eng Mr.XoXo
      Also TC is base+rsu/4
      May 23
    • WeWork Gdic84
      @bKFI33 Why are you being such a dick?
      May 23
    • WeWork Gdic84
      And @Mr.XoXo thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure how people typically calculated TC. In that case it's about 230K.
      May 23
    • State Street Corporation / Eng HsOm43
      @Gdic84 how many yrs of exp you have? And can you give us your base+rsu split? Thanks!
      May 23
    • WeWork Gdic84
      @HsOm43 yeah definitely! 5 yrs of exp. Base is around 195K and RSU split is around 30K.
      May 23
  • American Express bugger!
    I like to stay in my ignorance bliss. Blind is bad enough already
    May 22 5
    • Google wdyt
      I agree. Bad feelings could happen if someone gets judgy about someone else’s performance and then feels either jealous or self critical.

      Though it would be excellent if TC could be shared anonymously within the organization.
      May 23
    • Lmao every company I’ve worked in has some anonymous TC sharing tool, especially Google
      May 23
    • Google wdyt
      ah that’s good to know, I didn’t know it was common for other companies
      May 23
    • Tbf I’ve only worked in 2 companies so that’s a really small sample size lmao
      May 23
    • American Express uktg07
      You’re better off. Not only did Amex hire me at a more junior level than They should have, but they underpaid me to begin with and I am waayyy behind the curve. A friend left late last year and she made over $40K more than me and was trying to get me into her new company. Would have been $50K more if I didn’t negotiate when I was promoted. Her salary more than doubled plus equity, but she did go for a director role in her new gig.

      I have no idea if they’re still not giving raises with laterals, as they told us a couple years back. Imagine someone going from manager to senior manager at the same exact pay rate. Why even bother with the title change? This is why many are leaving for their competitors. Only way to be paid fairly. Everyone I know who’ve left got at least $20K more.

      Trump saved them billions, yet they can’t share the wealth. Solid rating, yet less than 2% raise. The only thing I’m happy about is that analysts get bonuses starting next year. They work harder than entire teams oftentimes, weekends and nights included to support many of the lazy managers who treat them like slaves.
      May 27
  • Cisco / Eng yaUr85
    always. it only benefits employers not to.
    May 23 0
  • LogMeIn / Other fbdbdnfm
    Hell no, a few companies ago a bunch people on my team did that. It hurt the team morale a lot, there was some head scratching inequality in the pay. It stirred up resentment.
    May 23 3
    • Dell uigi
      Your management hurt team morale by not linking pay to level of contribution. If the company was truly a meritocracy there would be no head scratching when salaries were revealed.
      May 23
    • LogMeIn / Other fbdbdnfm
      Absolutely true they did a shitty job. The best paid person on the team was one of the lowest contributors and least experience.

      For me it was a valuable lesson though, that stuff is going to happen. I think it is a bad idea to talk about it with peers.
      May 23
    • Facebook / Eng
      baldnshort

      Facebook Eng

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      Facebook
      baldnshortmore
      Similar experience. At my last job I found out that even the fresh grads on my team were making the same as me. I was chief architect. I quit the week I found out.
      May 24
  • Microsoft Specific
    Not unasked, but I will.
    May 22 1
    • Two Sigma / Eng timberlake
      OP
      Someone’s gotta ask first!
      May 22
  • Amazon TBtV84
    Got drunk and spilled the beans then realized my co-workers were getting bent over hard lol
    May 23 4
    • Crew aXFh35
      🤣😭
      May 23
    • State Farm HCgs3333
      And that’s why experienced people don’t share. Because we’ve been there done that. In my case, the coworkers that heard me were “friends”, and from that point on, they followed me at work more closely than my manager and every conversation was about justifying how I made 50% more than them. Ended up losing some “friends” over it. Fuck those assholes. It’s been more than 10 years and I still make way more than they do.
      May 23
    • Goldman Sachs fake engineer
      HCgs3333 isn't that a good thing? Now you know they're definitely not your friends, and they're not friend material. All that matters at work is the money rolling into your own pocket, anything to get more is good.
      May 23
    • State Farm HCgs3333
      It is good now, yeah. But I didn’t need the drama at the time, you know?

      I’m all for transparency. I think everyone’s salary should be public. But if it’s not, don’t hate the ones that negotiate better, you know?
      May 23