DocuSign Sr Eng offer Seattle

Microsoft / Eng ELGu86
Jul 20, 2018 18 Comments

First offer was 135k base + 150k stock over 4 years. I said no, the revised offer
150k base + 170k stock over 4 . Recruiter told me 170 stock is Max for this position

I am currently SDE 2 with 7 yoe

Recruiter is pushing me hard to sign but I am still not happy with TC

Any advice ?

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  • Indeed Caldean92
    DocuSign is pretty notorious for both title inflation and below-market comp. Keep that in mind.
    Jul 20, 2018 1
    • HERE / Eng
      Therehere

      HERE Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
       Thereheremore
      What is Indeed TC for 10 year exp? Level equivalent to Amazon sde3.
      Jul 20, 2018
  • Microsoft Testmouse
    Maybe push for a signing bonus then?
    Jul 20, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Eng ELGu86
      OP
      Recruiter said they only offer if it's relocation or competiting offer

      I have don't have yet but I have FB, Uber and Dropbox interview in pipeline
      Jul 20, 2018
    • Microsoft Testmouse
      What's your current level and TC (with breakdown)? Maybe we can cleverly use parts of your current comp as a "competing offer" since you don't have one already
      Jul 20, 2018
    • DocuSign rakansen
      Wait for fb, Uber, Dropbox etc - very likely they will have higher comp. IMO 150k base is kind of low for a senior position. Fb for sure can blow that out of the water.
      Jul 20, 2018
    • Salesforce / Eng mbappe
      I have less experience, my pay is higher than your offer.

      Just keep interviewing.
      Jul 20, 2018
  • Microsoft trump_007
    Take it
    Jul 20, 2018 0

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    • DocuSign gutsy
      10-5??? Oh, you must work on either the Mobile or eCom teams.
      Jul 26, 2018
  • DocuSign 10charonly
    I'm at a different level so my numbers aren't directly comparable. This year's stock refresh was in number of shares, but that was pre-ipo as well. I suspect everything will be dollar-based next year, but that's just speculation.

    The stock performance is likely to be much different than MS. DS could double much more easily than MS, similarly it could also drop by 75% much more easily if we do a poor job. And it's still small enough that each person's contribution can help.

    MS used to have the target stock award amount for each level up to 67 on hrweb. It got harder to find over the years, but was still available when I last looked before I moved. If you're close to promotion then that might help with a decision to stay?

    Personally I'm glad I moved, better work life balance, better TC than MS was, better professional impact. TC is only part of the equation, and if you're miserable at a job it's much harder to excel and get future promotions.
    Jul 20, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng ELGu86
      OP
      Thanks for the reply. Yeah I agree on the stock fluctuation but I think it will go up at least right now Docu stock has either buy or hold rating with future as out perform

      Reading all the comps here I feeling like TC should have been higher than 200k also bit disappointed that they are not giving joining bonus

      I am thinking of pushing recruiter to get the TC to 210 but looking at Glassdoor salaries for this position it seems like a stretch
      Jul 20, 2018
  • Amazon sip
    Target perf bonus? That can help with Tc
    Jul 20, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng ELGu86
      OP
      Since this is the verbal offer so I don't remember other details that well but recruiter mentioned there is 5% quarterly perf bonus
      Jul 20, 2018
  • Facebook Giz
    Do you like the company?
    Jul 20, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng ELGu86
      OP
      Yeah, work is interesting but not super exciting. People are friendly and hiring manager and team is likable. It's an easy 10 mins commute from home.
      Jul 20, 2018
  • Microsoft JsonBlob
    Go for it bro. Vote with your feet!
    Jul 20, 2018 0
  • New / Eng
    TpwS01

    New Eng

    PRE
    Coursera, Zenefits
     TpwS01more
    If recruiter is pushing too hard, reject the offer. You have other opportunities lined up. Better to find a place where they value your experience and pay accordingly
    Jul 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft melv
    What is their yearly refresher? Seems like their pay is lower than msft so long term I'd be wary
    Jul 20, 2018 0