Does anybody have any stories of turning a bad career trajectory to a good one?

Amazon / Eng
NotANinja

Amazon Eng

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Oracle
NotANinjamore
Feb 20, 2018 40 Comments

I’m starting at Amazon in a few months for my new grad job. I got rejected from all my dream companies (even MS DevDiv, which a lot of people say is easy to get into) and didn’t get interviews at more. Unlike a lot of people I never interned at top companies (best I did was Amazon) and I’m not making $180k+ TC as a new grad unlike most of the people I know.

I don’t think my career trajectory right now is very good. How can I fix it? Is it even possible to fix it if I can’t even pass a Facebook phone screen 3 years in a row with hundreds of hours of leetcode? Or should I just reduce my expectations and work at Cisco?

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  • Amazon / Design MiddleWest
    Can’t quite tell if this is real because it’s just so entitled and kind of pathetic. A recent college grad looking down on one of the most exciting and innovative companies around, thinking that $180,000 just isn’t enough. There are people who don’t make that much ever, and they probably contribute more to humanity than most of us in tech ever will.

    So, advice: practice expressing gratitude that you ever got an opportunity like this. And that you can live comfortably and with just a few years experience capitalize on nearly endless opportunities.

    Not sure how much you spent on your education, but you apparently didn’t learn how to think independently or think around corners or think imaginatively.

    You’re obviously smart. Amazon doesn’t hire dumb. But evolve your mentality. Quickly.
    Feb 20, 2018 8
    • VMware theese
      op don’t listen to any of these debbie downers. if it’s your desire to make top dollar then go for it. hang in there for 6 months prepare for interviews and try your luck again. once you make top dollar you can create another thread to ask how to be grateful and do charity.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Affirm Tttesting
      MiddleWest 👏👏👏👏👏 also can we be friends?!
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng
      @notaninja
      Money doesn't equal happiness.

      Also, for the record, my TC out of college was $80k in San Francisco at a no-name company. I had only one internship and it was at a research lab (couldn't get anything else).

      Two years later I'm making a lot more - I never dreamed I could get here.

      You'll get there. You're already doing better than me when I started.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      Was this the game company?
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Mitchell / Other Zb
      Dudeee, stick it out and in a year you’ll have a lot more options. I transitioned into tech company right before we lost a major client and my entire org structure above me and my team peaced out. I stuck with it help rebuild the team with a 1st time Manager and we figured shit out. Now that Manager is my biggest cheerleader in the company and I was able to use that “war story” to get into Product Management, granted its no Amazon but it’s all about the long game OP. Also no tech background, no MBA. And I’m making sub 100k in San Diego for now!
      Feb 22, 2018
  • Uber / Other
    pc6d1m

    Uber Other

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    pc6d1mmore
    Stop putting companies on a pedestal and seek value outside of where you work and who you work for.

    I recommend pausing daily to just think about what you're grateful for in life and what problems you don't have to deal with that you take for granted. And then think about what you can do to help others around you.

    Nobody ever laid on their deathbed thinking how they really loved working at Google and Facebook.
    Feb 20, 2018 7
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      I wish I could feel like you man. I wish I could be happy and rich and respected and impressive
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Uber / Other
      pc6d1m

      Uber Other

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      pc6d1mmore
      When you get older you will realize nobody honestly gives a shit how rich or smart you are. You will still wake up every day the same way you did before, put on pants one leg at a time, take a shower the way everyone else does.

      What does change is realizing how much stress you took on to climb to the top, and wonder why did you sign up to take on this extra stress. All of a sudden it feels like you're the go to guy for everything - which is cool in some regard, but feels like you're literally not allowed to have an "off" day and you get burnt out trying to maintain the same level of productivity.

      Just take it slow. You're a new grad and be glad you're not a prodigy because the pressure to succeed and stay successful is really high and almost crushing at the top.

      I rushed to climb the IC ladder and succeeded and regret I put my entire life on hold to do so. You get the promos and nice bonuses but outside of tech nobody gives a fuck.

      Honestly the worst thing about being hard-working and ambitious is putting so much weight and self purpose on success that once you achieve it and it doesn't live up to the happiness you thought it'd bring you, it's really soul crushing. Don't do what I did and just take it slow and steady.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • OpenDoor uriner
      ^This
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      Oracle
      NotANinjamore
      OP
      You’re right but that will never wash the shame of only making $145k in an expensive area away.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng
      I made $80k TC in the most expensive city in the US. There is no shame. Only humbler beginnings.

      And yours aren't even humble.
      Feb 21, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng CryptoS
    Hahaha this is why I love blind.
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Fundbox sWNF00
    Focus on what you can control. Keep your head down, work smart and work hard, establish a good reputation, and build relationships. Cultivate good mentors. Be humble and don't shit talk.

    if you cant pass leet code after 3 years of trying, then you're focusing on the wrong things. Swallow your pride and ask your friends for help.

    Don't worry as a new grad about being on the wrong 'trajectory'. Sometimes it's a good thing to be a big fish in a small pond - you might find yourself doing more interesting work or progressing more quickly because it's less competitive.

    Also, over time, mediocre or bad people who got lucky and got those top jobs will drop out. There will always be opportunities for you to find another, better job down the road. The key to winning that optionality is doing well in your current role.
    Feb 20, 2018 5
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      Oracle
      NotANinjamore
      OP
      I wont be a big fish in a little pond. There are lots of super super smart people at Amazon. The problem is I’ll be a relatively low paid, not respected fish in a large pond.
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Amazon / Design MiddleWest
      Respect is earned dude and you’ve done fuck-all to get any. So quit your whining and actually be, y’know, respectable instead of whining about how $180k is “relatively low pay” at a company whose stock price continues to soar.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      Starting when the stock is at an ATH is not good lol.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Cruise Automation o👼o
      Jesus Christ, kid. My first job out of college I was making like 50k, never worried about career trajectory. Just work your ass off and be a fucking force of nature.
      There are two paths in life, one is finding happiness and fulfillment in hobbies, and people around you, and being appreciative of what you’ve got. Seems to be a widely shared sentiment here.
      Path number two: be great at something, change the world, leave some goddamn legacy. From experience, there is no higher high than that. But it also doesn’t last. So if you choose path 2, you’ll never be happy.

      Not getting amazing offers straight out of school is normal. Landing a hotshot job at this point is luck, so don’t be jealous of your friends. As people pointed out, you haven’t done jack shit in your life yet. So don’t expect any respect until you do. Hungry and ambitious new grads like this are a dime a dozen. Earn your worth.

      Lastly, money doesn’t make you happy. Source: paid more in taxes this year than i’ve made in the past 5 years. Money matters only as long as you can live comfortably, and being young, 140k is comfortable even in SF. So quit whining and go do something productive.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • ^ Wordddd. I should apply to Cruise now
      Oct 25, 2018
  • Cisco SlowBoat
    You’re right, you’re screwed for life
    Feb 20, 2018 2
    • Oracle / Eng stunincunt
      Wtf is wrong with Cisco?
      Feb 20, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      They pay like $80k to new grads in my neck of the woods. Don’t think it’s that much better even in San Jose.
      Feb 20, 2018
  • Uber Head
    Lol
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • New Pillow
    Great Troll post 👍
    Feb 21, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      Not trolling
      Feb 21, 2018
    • New Pillow
      Measure your dick with your neighbor is not a good indicator.
      Feb 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      Well I lose that contest too so
      Feb 21, 2018
  • Salesforce RQ753T
    I'm pretty sure you got lucky getting into Amazon. I would not say this to anyone and just hope you're not found out, otherwise you're destined for keyboard button maintenance at IBM.
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Facebook
    alterego

    Facebook

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    dev, human,
    alteregomore
    When I started as eng 10 years ago at MSFT in Redmond, my TC was 90k, and that was standard across the company. Now people complain for not getting 180k - what a change in 10years! #entitlement #trolling
    Feb 22, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      10 years ago MS was far more elite than Amazon is today.
      Feb 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      Also salaries have gone up a bunch since then
      Feb 22, 2018
    • Facebook
      alterego

      Facebook

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      Microsoft
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      dev, human,
      alteregomore
      Only tech salaries ;-) and Amazon is a great company now, better than MSFT 10 years ago, amazin ,you know they are part of defining of future in many industries
      Feb 22, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      NotANinja

      Amazon Eng

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      NotANinjamore
      OP
      I guess, I’m probably doing ML Alexa so there’s a bunch of cool stuff happening there. 90% sure I wouldn’t be able to do that sort of thing if I got a Google, Microsoft or FB offer tbh
      Feb 22, 2018
  • Facebook Pbuj80
    I feel your pride to be as successful as others like your friend. But speaking it out is just stupid.
    Feb 20, 2018 0
  • Coupang / Eng
    zzzzxxxx

    Coupang Eng

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    Amazon
    zzzzxxxxmore
    Lol nope, it is impossible to change trajectory. It is a butterfly effect.
    Feb 20, 2018 0