Engineering Program Manager salary/life at Apple

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Mar 24, 2018 23 Comments

What’s the salary range for EPM at Apple? 6-7 years total experience.

Also, what is life like in the role? Any other thoughts welcome.

Thanks!

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  • Apple 1infloop
    Job description:
    - give unnecessary stress to engineers
    - even when you have no technical background, act as if you do
    - take most of credit for stuff you didn’t really do anything about
    - let your team work, you just have to focus on performance awards at all hands
    - keep telling your team they have the potential to grow but don’t let anyone grow ( make sure )
    - waste as much time in meetings as possible or on writing wikis which no one will ever read
    - make sure you calendar is fully booked all week long even when you have no idea about most of those meetings

    * you get paid shot lods of money because you are “considered” to be leading a lot of technical people
    Mar 25, 2018 5
    • Apple Iyvv80
      It’s great isn’t it ! Get paid .... min input and max output. Let engineers be hero’s and stay robotic in bay
      Mar 25, 2018
    • Apple / Eng megamex
      Waw! Didn’t know EPMs have such bad reputation.
      Mar 25, 2018
    • Apple / Eng megamex
      Do they really get paid shit-loads thou?
      Mar 25, 2018
    • Apple / Eng 0000010000
      I find Apple EPMs have very strong technical background for non engineers
      Mar 26, 2018
    • Apple EzXv42
      This is accurate. My EPM fits the bill.
      Mar 30, 2018
  • Mozilla QkjE52
    21 comments and not one managed to answer the initial question; maybe the thread needs a PM. :P
    May 4, 2018 0
  • Apple hfr
    EPMs are a force multiplier. If the multiple is over 1, it can make an amazing difference. If the multiple is under 1, it can make a horrifying difference. If the multiple is close to 1, individual engineers won’t notice much difference and will mostly just remember the downsides—but across a whole org it might still be a large contribution.

    It’s a heavy responsibility. Good EPMs feel that a lot, bad ones don’t. It isn’t a good role to take unless you really want to have a lot of influence and responsibility, and understand responsibility involves obligation.

    The pay scale is similar to engineering, with… perhaps a smaller frequency / amount of stock grants.
    Mar 27, 2018 0
  • Apple GlLE81
    EPM here. Pay is comparable to what I was making as a Hardware engineer. In general, HW pay is not comparable to what you can make in SW. The only drawback is growth potential as there are not too many other roles you can jump to from an EPM. Also, I agree with the thread as there are lot of incompetent EPMs that give the role a bad rep. So if you are coming into the role with no technical knowledge and are looking to move to take the “easy” way out, don’t do it, as it makes life tough for all other EPMs.
    Mar 25, 2018 2
    • Dexcom Lookat
      OP
      It feels like there are a ton of EPMs at Apple. Do you ever feel like there’s way too many of them or that they don’t have much influence?
      Mar 25, 2018
    • Apple GlLE81
      Very team dependent. Some of them are redundant but others are overworked or have a large sphere of influence. I think it also comes out to the capability of the EPM on how much impact they are able to have.
      Mar 25, 2018
  • Apple xbyu
    Too much, considering the output I’ve seen from our EPM
    Mar 24, 2018 3
    • Apple / Eng VGqx42
      I had a good laugh :)
      Mar 24, 2018
    • Dexcom Lookat
      OP
      Hahah!
      Mar 24, 2018
    • Apple Iyvv80
      Min input = max output in $ = hustling > robotic Bay Area engineers
      Mar 25, 2018
  • Apple fiestacat
    It’s totally unclear what EPMs in SWE land do. I think if they only worked one day a week none of us would actually notice.
    Mar 25, 2018 0
  • Apple AThm53
    Which org?
    Mar 24, 2018 0
  • Apple myMX36
    EPMs are simply the most useless people I’ve ever met. Totally useless..
    Apr 17, 2018 2
    • Apple Iyvv80
      That’s because they think ur a dumb engineer
      Apr 20, 2018
    • Apple MoMThi
      Because in their uselessness and stupidity they think otherwise.
      May 16, 2018
  • Juniper gja198
    Whats the SW EPM interview process expected?
    I have done 2 ph screens, 2 onsite with 5 folks each day (ended with director). Due to repeat folks it was 8 unique individuals onsite. When i was expecting results am told 2 more FaceTime interviews. Recruiter says feedback was good, nothing to worry, they do that at times.

    Is this normal? Any mandatory number of folks EPM needs to be interviewed by (say 10 unique individuals or so)? Cant wrap my mind around this process.

    As an engineer also i dint go through so much.
    Apr 6, 2018 1
    • Apple hfr
      Hmm. You might be being interviewed for multiple positions.
      Apr 7, 2018
  • Apple njff235540
    my EPMs are nice and pretty hands off in Camera org. But how much do they make???
    Mar 25, 2018 0