Feeling bad about getting lowballed by Google

Undisclosed Yqgdw
Nov 19, 2018 32 Comments

Master's New Grad L3 SWE
An internship in US
2 yoe before master's outside US

Base 125
Sign on 27
RSU 150 / 4
Annual bonus 15% target

Is it a lowballed offer? (By Blind standard- it is. But overall will it at least be in top 20 percentile?)
Should I look for switching in a year or so?
What positives I should look for as a trade-off?
Would you take this offer vs an offer at another company (130 base, 50 sign on, 180 RSU - not VMware or Amazon btw)?
Should I have rather taken the other offer instead of going for Google brand?
Will Google brand pay off?
Or in terms of learning, will joining Google pay off vs the another company?

To talk about numbers-
How much annual bonus, additional equity grant, base salary increase typically one gets by being in "meets expectations" status?

Please uplift me.

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TOP 32 Comments
  • Microsoft LiuX52
    Stop reading blind. Take the offer.
    Nov 19, 2018 0
  • New inquis9
    That's around 180k TC excluding sign on. Why do you think you were low balled?
    Nov 19, 2018 3
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      One thing is that I had another offer. Another thing is that this was the first offer and recruiter didn't move the compensation even slightly.
      Nov 19, 2018
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      And it's 162 TC. Sign on shouldn't be included right.
      Nov 19, 2018
    • New inquis9
      But you can add the 15% bonus to your TC as per blind rules. So that's around 180k. I think you're doing fine. Its difficult to break into 200k as a new grad (unless there is paper money involved)
      Nov 19, 2018
  • Undisclosed psage
    You have 0 real Yoe. For a new grad, it is better to optimize for passion, work, culture and pick a company accordingly. It will pay off in the longer term.
    Nov 19, 2018 2
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      Definitely. I was a SWE in very reputed company (although my work was mediocre, nobody really digs so deep to realize that).
      Hence on paper I have 2 real yoe and an internship.

      How many checkboxes does Google check in your list?
      Nov 20, 2018
    • Undisclosed psage
      Nobody even cares about goog/amzn pre grad school experience from India. Very common. Unless you did something exceptionally good.
      Nov 20, 2018
  • Google Ł
    The offer is fine imo
    Nov 19, 2018 0
  • Groupon IDK404
    New grads are so greedy these days.. smh. Gets > 180k and thinks he/she was lowballed :/
    Nov 19, 2018 2
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      Thinking of lowballed != Greedy

      I'm not saying I got less; by low ball I mean compared what others have got, it's lower.
      Nov 20, 2018
    • Microsoft oklo
      there is other l3 with 4 years -5 years of experience in US which usually count more against experience in another country.

      The data point you been reading are from these people who are suppose to get L4 but google love to downlevel so they got L3 but still enough money to cover L4.

      Again most of these people are already sde2 at other company. You are a new grad by most company standard. So 180K is high enough.
      Nov 29, 2018
  • Amazon Bs)&:!
    That’s not a lowball... Experience outside the US isn’t very valuable most of the time. Also grad vs bachelors makes little practical difference most of the time. You got a great offer with a solid base.
    Nov 19, 2018 3
    • Expedia Hejwknll
      That’s not true. If you can show that you’re talented, you can make them count that experience.
      Nov 19, 2018
    • Amazon Bs)&:!
      Agreed but this is not typical case
      Nov 19, 2018
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      Isn't 125 to 130 base normal these days? Especially in bay area?
      I had 3 other offers from bay area - 117, 125, 130.
      Another from Santa Barbara with base 115.

      So I think that has become a standard these days.
      Nov 20, 2018
  • Undisclosed KissMyPiss
    Lol you want top 20% @ L3? There are two types of Blind users, greedy and arrogant.
    Nov 19, 2018 2
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      Top 20% among just L3 swe, not all software engineers in the world.

      And I never wrote that the current offer is less, it's just relatively lower than what Google have paid to others based on data.
      Nov 20, 2018
    • Google KissMyPiss
      Lol what data? The fake salaries you see on Blind? 😂
      Nov 20, 2018
  • Amazon Northman
    This is 180k TC. First year over 200k. That is an amazing offer for a new Masters grad offer. You don't get credit for international experience before a masters degree. So you are 0 YOE. My God people, what are you thinking.
    Nov 19, 2018 1
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      Thanks for your insights. One should not compare to others to be happy. In it's absolute sense, the offer is good. Relatively I feel it's lowballed.
      Nov 20, 2018
  • Google asdesigned
    Hey OP, I also felt (am?) lowballed by Google. I had zero competing offers and I wouldn’t realistically reject the offer. When I tried to negotiate, the recruiter wouldn’t have it.

    Undergrad BS Computer Science
    2 YOE
    L3
    Base 110
    SignOn 0 (!!!)
    RSU 150/4
    Annual bonus target 15% (but that’s everybody at Google assuming you get “Consistently Meets Expectations” (CME) rating.)

    After a full year of working at Google, my base eventually rose to 123K. Then, after getting promoted to L4 (took two years total) base rose to 135K, with a year-end salary bump on the way.

    My TC is now about 200K-ish.

    So what I’m basically trying to say is that at least from my salary timeline, you are starting out “one year ahead” of my L3 offer, plus you got that sweet sign on bonus.

    However, I do think the Google brand is worth a lot, and there’s so many different projects to work on that span so many facets of society.
    Nov 20, 2018 0
  • Nextdoor Lulu 🍋
    2 YOE? Gtfo 😂
    Nov 19, 2018 0
  • Google prodaccess
    The vast majority of L3s get something between 150k and 200k. You will be fine.
    Nov 19, 2018 0
  • Undisclosed Wonxdj
    Which role is it for?
    Nov 19, 2018 1
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      Swe
      Nov 19, 2018
  • Undisclosed cho Chang
    For meeting expectations, u should get ~40k annual RSU refreshers. At least that’s what fb E3’s get.
    Nov 19, 2018 0
  • Microsoft LiftMore
    Did you negotiate??
    Nov 19, 2018 2
    • Undisclosed Yqgdw
      OP
      Yes but had only one competing offer at that time. And Recruiter didn't beat that- may be because he understood I would join anyway. He kept on saying that this is maximum and that B's.
      Nov 19, 2018
    • Undisclosed LiftMore
      Yeah, they knew they had brand leverage
      Nov 19, 2018
  • Microsoft LockZuckUp
    Sad, quit on day 1 in protest. That base is pathetic.
    Nov 20, 2018 0
  • Microsoft TegridyBud
    Percentile wise you're definitely in the top 10 or maybe even top 5
    Nov 20, 2018 0