Fucked up rating

Amazon dxgen
Apr 9, 2018 28 Comments

My mgr at amz is a newbie and mostly not fit to be in that level. He has given a least effective rating and is adding me to dev plan with zero indication in the past. The bad part is i am on a product thats super exhaustive and have worked almost 12 to13 hrs everyday for the last 1 yr and dint expect that.

I had a conversation with hrbp and havent been able to convince her.. he is a fucked up manager.. but she is putting some plan together..

But all the hard work i put in for this yr and was expecting to get promoted based on my peer feedback..is wasted and the shock is been unbearable..

If anyone here at higher managment can help me with somw advice... would be really thankful.

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  • Axtria Together
    Move on, or switch teams.

    Someone has rightly said, employees don't leave a company, they leave a bad manager.
    Apr 9, 2018 3
    • Amazon dxgen
      OP
      Until devplan completes i cant move.. i knew this info in last few hrs.. so still recouping from the shock.
      Apr 9, 2018
    • eBay / Eng
      tea_time

      eBay Eng

      PRE
      Amazon, Microsoft
      tea_timemore
      You can have exceptions to that, if you can get VP approval.
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Axtria Together
      Yes I understand. I have been through a similar thing in one of my previous companies.

      Then take time to relax and think what you could have done better, what made him feel that way etc. But I would strongly suggest to start looking out for other jobs or other teams and take the time to prepare.

      A spoilt relationship with a manager is usually hard to mend.
      Apr 9, 2018
  • Netflix LG
    It’s Amazon. Don’t expect anything better. Save yourself some heartache, and get the hell out of there ASAP
    Apr 9, 2018 0
  • New PooChoo
    Working 12 to 13 hours does not mean you're working effectively. in fact, it usually means the opposite.
    Apr 9, 2018 2
    • Amazon dxgen
      OP
      I understand the regular case.. in my case its a product launching with super aggressive schedules and my dev team resides in a different geo location. I also integration with another team in a different location.. so pretty horrendous process
      Apr 9, 2018
    • New UHtz31
      uhhh not when your director or vp drops by 5pm and assigns you a new task that had a deadline 2 days ago.

      You can't say no, but saying yes sets a precedent for future asks
      Apr 9, 2018
  • Microsoft HDnI53
    Sorry to hear that op. Is there any where to find a manager rating or know how a manager is before joining?
    Apr 9, 2018 6
    • Amazon dxgen
      OP
      Nope, not at amazon
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Amazon zccNpK
      Yes, in Amazon you can look at that managers tech survey results.
      Apr 9, 2018
    • New ☕👌
      Would a new hire be able to get that information or is that only for internal transfers?
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Microsoft HDnI53
      +1
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Tech survey is open to every employee, and is super in-depth. It’s massive
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Amazon dxgen
      OP
      Oh sorry, thats true.. but this whole team was an acquisition and i was an internal employee transfer
      Apr 9, 2018
  • Zillow Group GilFoyle1
    Your manager has chosen to black ball you based off either your previous contributions, lack of a relationship, etc....

    In any case, I’d hate to be blunt, but your reputation has taken a hit, in Amazon by your manager and peers, and now HR knows about it.

    I would suggest you search for another job immediately, and leave before you are let go. It will help you save some face, and some pride.

    Also, I don’t know the situation, but some feedback for you. If you are surprised by your managers performance rating, you’ve not done a good job building a communication line with your manager to see that coming. I would suggest building a relation with your future managers, where you are constantly getting feedback and sharing career growth (promotions, responsibilities, etc) with them.
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon STBV58
    Once you are rated LE you are basically handcuffed to your team...you should be actively applying to other companies.
    Apr 9, 2018 1
    • Microsoft wlb
      What is LE?
      Apr 10, 2018
  • Microsoft wlb
    Needing to work 12 hours a day is already a huge red flag. In this kind of sweat shop team, it is even harder to get a good performance rating than normal teams, and you should leave immediately. Such managers are incompetent and it is best if you don’t waste your time on any of them.
    Apr 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft
    MrSatan

    Microsoft

    PRE
    Amazon
    MrSatanmore
    Talk to your skip level about it.

    Don’t just shit on your manager, but defend your performance.
    Apr 9, 2018 2
    • Amazon dxgen
      OP
      Unfortunately by skip is a VP not sure how to make that conversation
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Microsoft
      JoanHarris

      Microsoft

      BIO
      Goddess of sexual pleasure and other pleasant things. I have left Microsoft and am working at Amazon but, of course, my opinions are my own.
      JoanHarrismore
      Don’t be afraid you have basically nothing to lose at this point. Go in with a good story, examples of what you’ve achieved and feedback from peers. You can fight pivot.
      Apr 9, 2018
  • Amazon mXfT18
    Do you not understand that Amazon does stack ranking? There were threads here about rockstar SDE III’s being given LE without warning.
    Go find a company that will treat you better. If you can survive Amazon you can survive anywhere. Vote with your feet. Amazon is poison.
    Apr 10, 2018 2
    • Microsoft wlb
      What is LE?
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Amazon mXfT18
      LE = Least Effective aka “soon to be fired”.
      Go look up stack ranking. Amazon does it.
      Apr 10, 2018
  • Amazon Amazon_O_G
    So messed up that folks think they are doing well based on the platitudes in the forte system (the peer and manager feedback platform) only to find out later they have have been placed on a PIP. This is seriously ridiculous. I just can’t believe the disconnect here on HRs part. We need to fix this. It’s setting the wrong expectation with employees. Would love to hear suggestions on how we can fix this. I think Beth G is a good leader, and based on my brief interactions with her, I think she wants to do the right thing and I just can’t believe that they are not working to fix the conflicting messages.
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon lfuf72
    Give it a fight before trying anything.. first give yourself a day or two.. think rationally before moving forward.. if you don't agree with what has happened start defending it.. pivot candidates have a better rate of defense than managers..
    Lastly you look out there is no guarantee that you will have a good manager.. atleast if you fight it out you will know u tried..
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Airbnb UQlM56
    Sorry to hear that this happened to you. It’s best to use your remaining time to look for a new job. Figure out what you could have done to prevent this, if anything.
    Apr 9, 2018 0

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