Getting a counteroffer from G

Google simba212
Jul 6 34 Comments

I received a much higher offer (2x current comp) at a F100, non-FAANG, though am in the process with a few FAANG, so an offer may come there.

Currently PgM at Google, have gotten EE every perf cycle to date, but just switched into PgM (April 2019). How should I broach the topic of pay bumps at G? I love my team and role - if I got paid more, I’d be pretty content.

Current TC: ~145k, L3, MTV

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TOP 34 Comments
  • Fitbit EDXD17
    Google isn’t going to pay a pgm 290k+ TC
    Jul 6 7
    • Google / Eng usernme
      I love how ignorant and entitled engineers are towards T/PgM roles. Only upper levels understand their true value. A lot of them do suck, but a lot of engineers suck too. If a T/PgM does their job well, they’re extremely valuable to teams that need to execute on different levels.
      Jul 6
    • Google simba212
      OP
      I can’t give additional details without outing myself, but it’s a very nuanced team, high priority within GBO and broader Eng.
      @usernme - glad some Eng people on this app have some common sense/maturity!
      Jul 6
    • Amazon
      yHf6b4

      Amazon

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      yHf6b4more
      I agree with @username... PgM might not be the role for everyone doesn't make it any less meaningful....
      Jul 6
    • Amazon
      yHf6b4

      Amazon

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      yHf6b4more
      Just imagine a group these "swe/sde/engineers" meeting deadlines without a PgM
      Jul 6
    • Google kJPj07
      There are very well compensated T/PGM. TLM, EM, and VP rely on T/PGM to provide an alternative source of truth on what's going on in large organizations. If you're good at this then they are definitely willing to pay for it.
      Jul 7
  • Facebook docomoc
    Google doesn't counter L3. Pgm is a shit job. What the fuck is F100. GE? Tc 745K
    E7 IC
    Yoe 4 years
    Jul 6 5
    • Microsoft / Eng FIux
      IC?
      Jul 6
    • Google / Eng Bergey Sin
      F100 is probably fortune 100.
      Jul 6
    • Google simba212
      OP
      Go home FB, you drunk
      Jul 6
    • Google mr google
      @Facebook
      Level / yoe?
      Jul 6
    • Google / Eng pumaupma
      It's true, I think. Google needs to perceive them as a competitor.
      Jul 6
  • Facebook lnstagram
    Why would G give you a counter?
    There’s a line of hundreds who’d be willing to take your job immediately.
    Jul 6 3
    • Google simba212
      OP
      Did Zuck piss in the MK’s at FB or something? What’s with the angsty replies from FB these days?
      Jul 6
    • Facebook lnstagram
      No anger, bro. That’s a simple truth neither of us is important enough for G or FB that couldn’t be replaced in an instance.
      Jul 6
    • Capital One
      sjdhxyy

      Capital One

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      MuleSoft
      sjdhxyymore
      I will take your job . If every googler leaves within 2 years then it will be lot of jobs
      Jul 7
  • Apple MbGVfrYh
    You can try telling them that you got an offer from another company for twice what you’re making now but you aren’t going to take it and how long until you’d be able to reach that level of comp in your current role. The they’ll either bump you immediately or at the next promo period or not at all, then you can leave next time with a clear conscience. Or you can skip that part and move now and get 2x comp and go back to FANG later.
    Jul 6 3
    • Bloomberg JessJones
      Lol
      Jul 6
    • Uber / Eng iptable
      ☁️☁️☁️
      Jul 6
    • Atlassian / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

      Atlassian Eng

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      Facebook
      BIO
      A prematurely grumpy somewhat old man
      Luffy, M.Dmore
      If they don't do it immediately, the only chance of them doing it at the next promo period is if they were going to do it anyway.

      NO manager is going to remember an offer you didn't take, unless it's to think "well, he's on the fence leaving anyway, let's use the raise pool to bring someone else up instead."
      Jul 6
  • Google / Eng Bergey Sin
    Managers have some discretion over your pay, but they definitely can't double it, short of a direct intervention from your VP, which is unlikely to happen baring exceptional circumstances.

    At this point your best bet is to think long and hard about whether the extra cash is worth making the switch. Make sure to factor cost of living (if it involves a move), firm culture, work life balance, and where your friends are (only if it involves moving). Also keep in mind that with EE, you can usually come back to Google within a year without interviewing so the risk of trying is not too high.
    Jul 6 0
  • Amazon lifeisbeer
    These FB boys in this thread worry me that Ive got an interview with FB next week.
    Jul 7 1
    • Google kJPj07
      I got an FB offer and turned it down. Everyone I spoke with was awesome including the recruiter. But on Blind it's a different story.
      Jul 7
  • Google kJPj07
    Wow. Facebook is a very bitter and unhappy, vicious place. Reminds me of old Microsoft.
    Jul 7 0
  • Facebook docomoc
    Get rid of TPM and PM. Fucking bullies. TPM are low iq
    Jul 6 0
  • Google jdiehhd
    IMO, extremely hard to do that at L3. I think it might be possible at something like L6+. Also TPMs are awesome, I don’t get the hate.
    Jul 6 0
  • New qeerty
    How much % of your monthly tc goes into rent? Just curious how comfortable you are with 145k in MTV
    Jul 6 0
  • Facebook / Eng
    grey-bear

    Facebook Eng

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    grey-bearmore
    When I was I Google, we were never able to give any extra comp to counter other offers. We could add ~5% or so each year to merit increases, and some extra bonus/stock. Though, usually way too late to cater for a bonus.

    My usual rule is to let my boss know I'll never negotiate for comp; all retention work has to be done before I start interviewing. In one case, it did get slightly better merit increases, in most others, it's just "ok..." as managers don't know what to make of it.

    It can be a useful reality check; most people think they are considerably more effective than they actually are. Asking your manager for a raise-or-I'll-quit can be a good way to learn they would love if you left :-)
    Jul 6 0
  • Facebook docomoc
    Pm are just bull shit artists. PM are terrible
    Jul 6 0
  • Google / Eng philosophy
    It's impressive that you were made a PgM at L3. Do you think you'll be promoted this cycle? What are the demands of this other job? Oftentimes, if it seems too good to be true it is. I had a friend at Google who left because Alibaba offered him $1M in stock (all vesting at 4 years). He left to discover that AliBaba is a terrible place to work. Now, he's stuck there trying to survive for 4 years to get his paycheck. But he's in hell.
    Jul 6 0
  • Facebook digb38hgy
    While the tones can be a bit more friendly, both FB statements are true although this is PSC time and we are all a bit stressed out. I agree with what most people say, you can ask, but be prepared to leave. There must be a reason you did all these interviews.
    Jul 6 0
  • New / IT FinTecCISO
    Be direct and forward. Command the room. TC-276
    Jul 6 0