Compensation

Google L3 offer, how much of a TC bump can I expect once I promo to L4?

Amazon / EngSde-π 
Feb 9

$200k TC offer for SWE L3 at Google, 3 YOE. I know levels.fyi says L4 would be ~$265, but I don't know if that is accurate for those who get promoted versus those who come in at L4, is ~$265 to be expected once promoted?

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  • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
    WTF. One step at a time there buddy.
    Feb 94
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      Nothing wrong with looking at future earnings.
      Feb 9
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
      You don’t even work there yet!
      Feb 9
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      If I had waited here in a week to post this once I've started, would that really have made a difference?
      Feb 10
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
      It would
      Feb 10
  • Google rubbishing
    Can you split that TC?
    Feb 914
    • Two Sigma OqsnFJ
      Thanks for the informative answer rubbishing. Just curious if you could provide some more info: When does the increase in base go into effect? If the promo is before your second year does that mean you won’t see the refresher adjust your RSUs until second year (unless manager uses their discretion)?
      Feb 9
    • Google rubbishing
      Yes. Refresh is 4 yrs. Paid quarterly.

      Base goes into effect the next month after promo results are out. So May/Dec. Refresh is based on standard policy. So refresh would be second year regardless of promo.
      Feb 9
    • VMware gukfsqrg
      Refresh 80-100k that is L3 or L4?
      Feb 9
    • Google rubbishing
      L4
      Feb 9
    • VMware gukfsqrg
      What would be target refresh for L3?
      Feb 9
    • Google rubbishing
      60-80k
      Feb 9
    • Google weebay
      I think the base increase gets backdated to the promo date?
      Feb 10
    • Google rubbishing
      @weebay: what do you mean?
      Feb 10
    • Google weebay
      If you went up from promo in March and found out you got promoted in May, they go back and pay you as if you had got promoted in March.
      Feb 10
    • Google rubbishing
      No. That is not how it works (when I last got promoted). Did they change anything ?
      Feb 10
  • Chase chasepaper
    If you have a competing offer that is more than 280k, i heard you can push up to 250-260k range. But if not, the highest i’ve heard for L3 is 220k. Also depends on the yoe. How many yoe?
    Feb 96
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      No, my offer is currently L3 @ 200k, the question is what could be expected at promo to L4.
      Feb 9
    • Chase chasepaper
      Yes i know, im just saying since seems like the offer is still fresh, there’s still some room for negotiation just to close some gap as a new hire vs. The 265k number you quoted
      Feb 9
    • Google nooglerx
      L3 offer with competing offers can go till 250 + 50-70 sign-on.
      Feb 9
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      Ah gotcha, I didn't have competing offers, so I'm pretty fine with the L3 comp.
      Feb 9
    • Google wFatDuck2
      How many YOE Amazon?
      Feb 9
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      2 at Amazon, one other year at another company
      Feb 9
  • MathWorks uyG5et
    Can you briefly talk about your onsite experience? Curious about broad topic / difficulty.
    Feb 94
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      It was mostly leetcode mediums, one maybe leetcode hard. Half were tree/recursion based, one was system design.
      Feb 9
    • MathWorks uyG5et
      Huh, you got a system design round for L3? Did your recruiter tell you to expect one?
      Feb 9
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      I believe it was an L4 interview and I got leveled at L3, could be wrong.
      Feb 9
    • MathWorks uyG5et
      I see. Just worried I might be surprised by a system design round when I am not expecting one. Thanks for the answers.
      Feb 9
  • Uber DyJKbcf
    You won't get that bump when you promote only new hire
    Feb 97
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      Alright, so what bump could I expect upon promotion then?
      Feb 9
    • Google weebay
      Bump from 3 to 4 is like 6% or 13k, whichever is higher
      Feb 10
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      I take it that's salary bump? Aren't there also refreshers?
      Feb 10
    • Google weebay
      Yeah that’s just salary bump. Refreshers might go up 20-40k depending on your rating.
      Feb 10
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      Hmm, according to that my base would go to 128k, but the other Googler said it would go to 140-145k
      Feb 10
    • Google weebay
      You’ll probably get a raise before you get promo (unless you get promoted before Dec.) if you think you’ll get promo in 1 year, you’ll have good ratings. Good ratings = up to 10% raise before your promo bump. But yeah, downside of quick promo is you’ll be at the bottom of the L4 band
      Feb 10
    • Google weebay
      Also 145k is not the bottom of the L4 band so I wouldn’t expect that as you soon as you promo. Sorry but just the truth. For reference I promo’ed within a year of joining and my L4 comp started at around 130k
      Feb 10
  • Amazon ConorMcGre
    OP are you SDE 2 in Amz?
    6d2
    • Amazon / EngSde-π 
      OP
      Yep
      5d
    • Amazon ConorMcGre
      My father got downleveled when he came from Yahoo! back in 2010, but got promoted in 2 years.
      5d
  • Intuit Dzlj86
    Yoe?
    Feb 91
  • Google / Eng
    nocomp

    GoogleEng

    PRE
    Oracle
    nocompmore
    Once you're in you will be able to see a spreadsheet with the numbers :) but that L4 TC seems about right
    Feb 90

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