Google L5 lowball offer

Oracle hy554a
Apr 8 39 Comments

Got an offer from Google GCP team. L5 PgM. Still initial offer as I am still negotiating with recruiter.

Base 150k. 15% bonus. RSU 120k sign on bonus 30k

puts 1st year TC approx 230k.

Currently TC at Oracle is 210k. Not a huge jump. Oracle cloud isn't going anywhere.
yoe 15

Other advantages of moving to Google
Tier 1 brand
can try out TPM, PM roles later
technology
shorter commute

I interviewed at LinkedIn, FB for PM and TPM roles didn't make it. No competing offers to negotiate.

Am I being lowballed? Should I take it? Any tips on how to negotiate given no competing offers.

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TOP 39 Comments
  • Amazon / Eng wwwnull
    Seems like they did a great job on the offer as it’s not way too high on their end and it’s still high enough to make you accept it. There’s no reason not to switch to google given the above. Even if you can’t negotiate any higher
    Apr 8 6
    • Amazon / Eng wwwnull
      It’s not a drastic raise (only 10%) but that money adds up each year. Plus you’ll have Oracle and now Google on your resume. That’s really impressive. And you won’t have to pay for lunch anymore :)
      Apr 8
    • Oracle hy554a
      OP
      True. thanks!
      Apr 8
    • Adobe mercury10
      Google is going to give you better step raises and stuff. See if you can negotiate about 10% more, and congrats.
      Apr 8
    • Oracle hy554a
      OP
      Thanks wwwnull
      Apr 8
    • Google LoJY71
      There's no low-balling due to gender or race...the comp analyst can't even take into account your current compensation. They're basing it on the market rate and what others internally are making at that level. They don't bring you in at the Top 5% of pay because it's a "pay for performance" culture and you haven't yet performed.
      May 16
  • Google SergeyBlin
    This looks low.
    What level are you at Oracle?
    I went 210K -> 350K (swe)
    Wouldn’t bother switching for 10% increase.
    Apr 8 6
    • Oracle hy554a
      OP
      How are the RSU refreshers at Google?
      Apr 8
    • Google topCon
      Sergey, you're comparing swe vs pgm? Why?
      Apr 8
    • Google SergeyBlin
      I just wanted to say this is not enough increment to justify the switch.
      Comparing swe with pgm is not apples to apples.
      Other things to consider.
      WLB at Oracle is hard to beat.
      M3 is a senior manager level at Oracle. L5 at Google isn’t.
      Apr 8
    • Oracle hy554a
      OP
      doesn't Google usually down level? You brought up very good points SergeyBlin, hence my dilemma. My commute will be better with Google Sunnyvale. I am doing shit work at Oracle. At least Google get to learn newer technology.
      Apr 8
    • Google SergeyBlin
      Yes! We do down level. I was down leveled.
      My commute went from bad to worse and (frankly) job is more or less the same.
      I switched because
      - Oracle cloud is a dead man walking
      - Pay is better
      Apr 8
  • Oracle 7uuy444
    I finally got the offer. Much better TC.
    Base 170k sign on 40k. rsu 380k/4
    Apr 30 3
    • Amazon chipndl
      That’s a strong offer, congrats! Did you have competing offers?
      Apr 30
    • Oracle 7uuy444
      I had one from FB.
      Apr 30
    • Google
      AIMLOK

      Google

      BIO
      I once served 5TB
      AIMLOKmore
      Big bump over the original. Pretty good for PgM
      Apr 30
  • Microsoft shambu
    Honestly, for a program manager, that's a great package! Take it. If it was PM, then I would say low but not program manager.
    Apr 8 2
    • Oracle hy554a
      OP
      The problem is I have been a PM all along in other places including Oracle. But maybe switch to PM after some time at Google. Still have to go thru interview but may not be that bad.
      Apr 8
    • Microsoft shambu
      Product manager is a different ball game than program manager. Like you rightly pointed, it would be a different interview.
      Apr 8
  • Facebook FfEV64
    PgM at Google don't get paid as much as SWE. That's true across the valley.
    Apr 8 2
    • Oracle hy554a
      OP
      True but I think Google lowballed. Without competing offers, levers for negotiations don't exist.
      Apr 8
    • Google topCon
      True. You need a competing offer when dealing with Google. Otherwise, get standard offer.
      Apr 8
  • LinkedIn howdy!
    I thought PMs are branded as one level higher. That is L4 PM is equivalent to L3 SWE; L5 to L4 and so on. If that is true, you are underleved and hence lower pay
    Apr 8 1
    • Cadence / Product luna.
      He said Pgm not pm ...
      Apr 8
  • Quotient Technology Rooster
    Likely since it's your initial offer, but interview performance affects TC. I got similar offer for L4, ended up going with LinkedIn which was higher.
    Apr 8 0
  • Google / Project
    GmYa82

    Google Project

    PRE
    Google, Square, Yahoo
    GmYa82more
    This is very close to what I got offered. After a year I go refreshers and the stock went up so I was making 270k/yr.
    Apr 8 2
  • eBay
    Jkbukan75

    eBay

    PRE
    Walmart
    Jkbukan75more
    See if they’ll bump it up slightly after going a round of negotiation then take it. Look at the potential for growth in cloud space. Aside from AWS and Azure, GCP is the next. You sound like you dislike your job now and that alone is enough to switch for the same pay. Shorter commute means you get to spend more time with family (assuming hours are the same). Free food is $10k a year right there. Google is a good company. Keep us posted after you’re there for a while.
    Apr 9 1
    • Google AIMLOK
      The food at Moffet Place isn't worth $10k a year :P
      Apr 9
  • Google HeartKiz
    Most of the L5 salaries you see are for swe. TPMs make 75% of that and PgMs make 80% of TPM. It’s a good offer
    Apr 8 0
  • Facebook FfEV64
    The conversion is approximately 70% of SWE. It isn't much of a low-ball, unless you're coming in with some very specific skills.
    Apr 8 0
  • Oath aiNc76
    How long did it take to hear back you got an offer after your onsite?
    Apr 8 1
    • Oracle hy554a
      OP
      2 months
      Apr 8
  • Amazon chipndl
    You can get more on equity, base is good, probably won’t get much more there. Congrats on getting the offer :)
    Apr 29 0
  • Splunk / Eng Bluesea
    This is for program manager L5. So it is a reasonable offer.
    Apr 14 0
  • Intel / Eng
    korii

    Intel Eng

    PRE
    Google, Amazon
    BIO
    Hardware quality and reliability professional
    koriimore
    Take it..
    Apr 8 0

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