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Google bending to China, to offer censored search engine...

Microsoft SimpleRick
Aug 1

Not saying any particular company's hands are clean, but if true, then clearly Google's recent move to scrub "Don't Be Evil" from all their corporate literature seems to make sense in light of this news...

https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engine-censorship/

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  • Facebook Thrift
    I don’t understand why everything in china has to be state Censored, how are citizens ok with this ?
    Aug 1109
    • Expedia hGsF86
      I don’t understand why everything including their photo calls and nude photos in cloud servers in usa has to be monitored by NSA and CIA , how are citizens ok with this ?
      Aug 2
    • New gpQI26
      @thrift, My kids can raise questions, express their opinion and criticize me for something I did wrong, but no cussing, or disrespectful behavior. And also no RA material.

      Apart from the darknet, there is another parallel universe outside of Google and the western world which is the chinese internet. Some say is already larger than the net...
      There is abundant discourse there which includes critique of the government maybe more in the form of bitching as opposed to material that destabilizes the government. But certainly there is some intellectual discourse that could be considered not supportive of certain government policies.

      So the analogy is if things go out of hand, than the heavy handed measures come in place.
      Aug 2
    • Apple Tim'sCock
      I would like to see Andy Lau or someone of that caliber go on TV and say "Fuck Xi Jinping!" Like Robert Deniro did to Trump, is that "out of hand?" Or just bitching?
      Aug 2
    • Cisco Cnmsike
      Most of them are not
      Aug 2
    • Google hedgeit
      Like America is truly freedom country? People are delusional.
      Aug 3
    • Uber / SalesDetergentX
      You’ve got a lot to learn about communism, OP.
      Aug 3
    • Microsoft Luther
      Always stand on the moral high ground. Pretend to be polite to others but actually a racist deep inside. That’s why American always think they are superior and keep exporting their idea and value to the whole world. Glad Trump gets elected at least for one time they start to rethink there maybe something wrong about themselves.
      Aug 3
    • AT&T qtmu21
      I don’t understand why India has no big brands like Baidu, Tencent or Alibaba?
      Aug 3
    • Facebook Thrift
      Trying to divert the discussion to something totally unrelated 👏👏
      Aug 3
    • New gpQI26
      Timscock, the problem w yo ur analogy is that I think andy Lau genuinely likes xi, and therefore no need to f him...
      It be like saying if RDN bitches about Obama...

      I am sure some people in the general populace bitches about Xi, but that's no big deal... If there is a concerted faction that wants to topple Xi, maybe dark things happen... But then again dark things have happened in the white house if we believe Hollywood movies or conspiracy theories...
      Aug 3
  • Autodesk omni
    Denying Chinese people of good products just because they don’t agree with a government, frankly, a shittier move, back in 2010.
    Aug 137
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      No it's not bowing. This is called compliance. Just like Google complies to EU fines, no matter how ridiculous Americans feel. As a company you don't have power over government. Chinese users deserve Google services regardless of the value and practices of their government. We want to meet that need by complying with government. Plain and simple.
      Aug 2
    • Apple Tim'sCock
      What a bunch of bullshit. Collaborating with a dictatorship is complicit and future generations will see it as such once the dictatorship falls.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      Tim'sCook you are such a self righteous idiot who do not have the capability to think from Chinese users' perspective. Go live in China for a few months before making stupid comments like this.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      By the way, Apple censors app store in China and stores all iCloud user data from China in China data center. You better quit Apple to feel good about yourself.
      Aug 2
    • Apple Tim'sCock
      Yes Apple does and it's fucked up. Being complicit with a dictatorship will haunt American companies for all generations to come, and it's our responsibility as employees to make it clear to management that we do not agree with this, that these are not the values we work for. I will not go to China to be one of the thousands executed every year (https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/04/death-penalty-facts-and-figures-2017/) but I have escaped myself from a dictatorship and I'm pretty clear on what people including myself think of complicit companies complying with government oppression.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      You have no idea about China. So shut up.
      Aug 2
    • Apple Tim'sCock
      A dictatorship that kills and oppresses people, I know enough. The fact that they are so good at mindfucking their population that someone who has left that hell hole still defends that their own people should continue to be oppressed just goes to show you the dominance of the government over the mind of their population. North Korea is not so exceptional I guess.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      Who says we support censorships? What can Google do about it? The people in China want Google search, even censored version. If Google doesn't cooperate with the Chinese government, it doesn't exist as far as Chinese users are concerned. Providing useful information 99.99% of the times vs 0, how hard is it to choose? Or are you too stupid to realize that?
      Aug 2
    • Apple Tim'sCock
      So helping to create the cage in which people have no say about their government is better because with Google it'll be a nicer cage. I just don't know if you are a bad person, or if they have rotten so much of your brain inculcating you the system since you were born that now you can not see. 50 years from now, China will be a democracy, and your grand children will ask why you were not part of that fight. You are in the wrong side of history, and Google will be too if they become complicit.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      Tim'sCock, are you hallucinated? Please go ahead and fight the Chinese government for the freedom of the Chinese people!

      Oh no, you are such a coward that you don't even dare to visit China. You are nothing more than a keyboard warrior who has no fucking idea about China and its people but want to be the judge. Lmao.
      Aug 2
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    I agree that Chinese government should stop censorship etc but China is still a developing country. People in China earns 1/10th of Americans. Some developed countries like South Korea and Taiwan went through similar (albeit less) pains like this but they eventually build good democratic country. It takes time. China is like mid 80s in South Korea. Give additional 20 years at least. I think Chinese people also know that their country is very immature and they will be the first to admit they are far far behind US in so many ways. They are sacrificing some things for eventual good. People need to be educated more and generation has to be changed. China is more exposed because of its size but I think they are on a good track. After about 10-15 years, people will demand democracy and this is a natural course. Usually when economy grows by above 3% steadily, people as a group tend to forgive what government does.
    Aug 112
    • Facebook magfkqpa
      developed country where people earn 1/10 of usa?
      Aug 1
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Ldkdneb

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      @Thrift, Size of economy at Finland is mush smaller than China but it is much much more developed country. Look at GDP per capital. That is a good indicator usually. I am surprised anyone will think China is a developed country because of its scale. India has like 10-15th biggest economy. Would you call it one of the most developed countries? If you are from India, you know the country is not much better than African countries. China is about 3x better but it is far far from developed country.
      Aug 1
    • Marvell 67hj
      A Chinese friend (who had just come directly from China) told me about 30 years ago “they will die” referring to the old regime. She was looking forward to that day. No it hasn’t happened. The communists are still very much in power.
      Aug 1
    • Google ps4
      There is no sign of China becoming democratic. Xi just make himself an emporer by removing president term limit. And there are more censorship than before.
      Aug 1
    • Facebook QXsm54
      As an average Chinese, I think your view about China/Chinese people is quite off the wall...
      Aug 1
    • Amazon / EngQGqA17
      Chinese government is paying you RMB 0.5 for this comment.
      Aug 2
    • Microsoft ebjus62h
      Like the many other regimes in history which became democracies. The freedoms we enjouy are the exception, moron.
      Aug 2
    • Microsoft / Sales
      FUPM_CE!

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      China is a fucking communist dictatorship. Not a developing country that is why the wage gap exists.
      Aug 2
    • Broadcom Ltd. BtRE41
      Dude, I heard similar staffs like this 10 years ago....so 10 years later, you could copy and paste the same again.
      Aug 2
    • Amazon ehzV12
      China can never be a “developed” country since it has large population and will consume most of the earth resources, and leaving other countries poor. So China can never be democratic following your theory
      Aug 2
  • New AFQu71
    In China essentially top 1% is mostly people with connections to government. Rest of population works for them like slaves. They live in dorm rooms that have like 10 beds per room above factories. Then those slave owners come to US to buy real estate and hide their money in case it would get confiscated in China one day..
    Aug 112
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      You have no idea about China. Go to any of the big cities in China and you will be surprised.
      Aug 1
    • Amazon
      whoa I

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      I cannot stop laughing..... You should go visit China instead of imaging what is China.
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      There are too many so called "well educated" people in this country who value their moral superiority too much to seek the truth. Because truth hurts. They want to live in their own bubbles and feel good about themselves.
      Aug 1
    • McAfee Defcon1
      I’ve been to China. The contrast between the wealthy and the poor is astonishing. Party leaders and their friends are the most wealthy.
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      And you don't see a rising population of middle class? How surprising! What about the countless homeless people in any of the major US cities but US has the most billionaires? Isn't this a more astonishing contrast?
      Aug 1
    • Broadcom Ltd. BtRE41
      Even middle class people’s babies have to take poisonous vaccine, and government gives it a shit on doing anything but suppressing the parents, reporters and lawyers who tried to disclose it, for years! This is China today.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      @BtRE41, you are unhappy with the Chinese government. But how is Google going to change that? By being non-existent to them?
      Aug 2
    • Google hedgeit
      How drastically diff is it in the state?
      Aug 3
    • Uber / OtherGinNCronic
      Another idiot that has never been to China peddling his western media bullshit as if it’s fact. THIS is why Facebook and Google are banned in a China.
      Aug 20
    • TuneIn MguA76
      Typical China bashing, when an outrageous claim is disputed, instead of proving it, point out a completely unrelated actual problem (yes China has its issues).
      Sep 14
  • Fitbit / Eng
    Kyliejjiej

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    Sucks but you have to follow the country policies and laws, why fight it?
    Aug 14
    • Microsoft SimpleRick
      OP
      "Don't blame me, just following company orders.. lol"
      Aug 1
    • Microsoft SimpleRick
      OP
      I mean, this is just one among many ethical problems facing tech. If your product can be used to target, track, imprison, and torture dissidents and commit other human rights violations, I mean.... do we just shrug our shoulders and go, oh well shit happens"?
      Aug 1
    • Autodesk omni
      Microsoft’s Bing operates a censored version in China... FYI.
      Aug 1
    • Microsoft SimpleRick
      OP
      Good to know.
      Aug 1
  • Microsoft SimpleRick
    OP
    Ouch.

    NYT: Google withdrew from China 8 years ago to protest the country's censorship and online hacking. Now the company is building a new search engine that complies with Chinese censorship rules.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1024746615016497152
    Aug 15
    • Shopify / EngShpoptify
      Yikes
      Aug 1
    • Google Gary page
      Need that meaty market. Need that moolah. Investors be waiting.
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      They exit because they thought Google was powerful enough to influence the Chinese Government to make China more open and free. Ouch, it didn't happen. Chinese users are stuck with Baidu who does a lot of evil like selling ads linking to fake websites and promoting institutions doing unlawful medical practices. Why not go back and serve the Chinese users better than Baidu? Only because you don't agree with the values of their government? Do you know how many countries that Google operates in are ruled by non-democratic governments and Google does censorship for as well? Shall we deny people of all these countries of our service just because we don't like the way their government operates?
      Aug 1
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      Those other countries didn't infiltrate Google's network like China did.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      I actually admire the technical savviness of the Chinese government to be able to hack Google servers. Google engineers will definitely try harder next time. On the flip side, now that Chinese government requires that all Chinese user data stay in China and be readily available to them, there is no need to hack.
      Aug 2
  • Google curious 98
    Google has long ago bended to saudi arabia by following that country's censorship rules. So wake up people no company will ever be entirely pure and innocent. And all the focus on China is just away the government wants the u.s. people to turn against that particular country. If you talk about human rights - why don't us pay attention to India, to Saudi Arabia, to the war America may be issuing against Iran?
    Aug 17
    • Airbnb / Eng
      Kans123

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      You see the truth
      Aug 1
    • Amazon
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      True. I cannot believe a lot of people are judging China but they never went to China to know it!
      Aug 1
    • AMD PsWL84
      Then why gang up against pentagon?
      Aug 1
    • Google curious 98
      To AMD - Then why don't googlers gang up against google providing service in saudia Rabia? Supporting pentagon purely means providing weapon to kill, but providing a search engine in China, even censored, does not mean to make the censorship worse, as the internet has already been censored almost every where. If Chinese people want to use uncensored service, they can always use VPN (which many people are already doing). To provide google search engine there means tens of billions of people will access to much better, informative, fair, and transparent resources on many topics (e.g. hospital, medical care, education). The world is never black and white, I would rather think more practically - instead of thinking about moral philosophy only and being stuck in the same place years after years.
      Aug 1
    • Facebook Thrift
      FYI - Chinese government ordered the 3 telecom providers to completely block access to VPNs by feb 2018
      Aug 3
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      Yeah, that VPN argument is such a joke. "If Chinese people want to use uncensored service, they can just get it illegally! Nothing bad ever happens to criminals in China."
      Aug 3
    • Google ⚜️
      It's better to be inconsistently principled than to be consistently unprincipled.

      Plus Xi's power consolidation is a step backwards when even Saudi Arabia is slowly moving forwards in regards to rights.
      Aug 6
  • AMD PsWL84
    I thought Googlers were fighting over submission to pentagon. How do they feel about submission to china?
    Aug 15
    • McAfee / Otherroundhere
      Helping communism is fine. Welcome to Google
      Aug 1
    • Autodesk omni
      One is to develop weapons to kill, the other is just to exist. Wow, Americans feel they are so entitled that killing for them is the same as access for others.
      Aug 1
    • McAfee / Otherroundhere
      What happens when the Chinese Government executes people based on Googles provides user data? That kills people.
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      Submission to government? No, serving users is more important than satisfying some people's need to stay on moral high ground.
      Aug 1
    • Uber mr_f
      China is not really communist anymore
      Aug 4
  • Google ;O 𓂺
    Oh shut up. We already censor results for Europe. This is such a non issue.
    Aug 18
    • Amazon MemeMagic
      All forms of censorship is bad
      Aug 1
    • Google ;O 𓂺
      You work for fucking Amazon. You don’t exactly have a strong moral foundation there.
      Aug 1
    • Amazon MemeMagic
      Lol wut
      Aug 1
    • Amazon MemeMagic
      Don’t you motherfuckers track me on google maps?
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      All forms of censorship is bad? Why do we censor porn from youtube?
      Aug 1
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      That's bad too, but there's a pretty big difference between refusing to host porn on your servers and trying to stop people from finding out that porn even exists.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      @Buddy Guy, so you are suggesting that being non-existent to the Chinese users is better than some form of existence although not in a way that fits your ideology? What's your logic here?
      Aug 2
    • Google ;O 𓂺
      Bingo. It’s all pearl clutching from concern trolls. Google should have a presence in China. It will also make GCP available to Chinese customers.
      Aug 2
  • Google Jfofoansnd
    Why are microsoftfies throwing stones for google doing what bing has already been doing for years?
    Aug 13
    • New / Eng
      hzFR57

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      why do u think Google n msft employees in blind are the decision makers?
      Aug 1
    • Facebook Goldbach
      Yes, because they totally support that decision just because they work for Microsoft. Dude...
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      Thanks to Microsoft, I can use Bing every time I visit China. Kudos!
      Aug 1
  • Google / Eng
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    Good good. Hopefully our drone bombers are ready soon too. 😈 "Be More Evil"
    Aug 11
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      This just shows your ignorance about Chinese users.
      Aug 1
  • Microsoft SimpleRick
    OP
    To quote Noob-Noob: "God-daaaammmn!"

    "So working with DOD via Project Maven caused an internal uproar, but helping China’s Party oppress over 1.3 billion people and violate their human rights is totally fine? Really, Google employees?"

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MilenaRodban
    Aug 14
    • Google balin
      Just watch the geniuses in g/(whatever) explaining why it’s a good move. Same ones who raised hell about Maven.
      Aug 1
    • Microsoft ryML78
      Too many uneducated millennials with rubber stamped degrees thinking they are smarter than everyone else.
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      Providing 99% of useful information is oppressing? What do you call for providing 0 information?
      Aug 1
    • Google ⚜️
      The "white left" at work.
      Aug 5
  • Google / EnglEEtcOdE
    so many stupid arrogant people who knows nothing about China comment here. China has its own laws, it does not matter whether you westerners like it. Google, as a company, in order to grow its business, tries to get in China by obeying the rules, what’s wrong with that ? Censorship is not always bad, especially considering it as a huge country like China. Stop forcing the so called universal value to other places. Its just dumb.
    Aug 48
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      What are the Chinese afraid for their people to learn or be exposed to on the unfiltered pipe? I seem to recall the Nazis burned books...
      Aug 4
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Who told u Chinese are NOT exposed to your so-called unfiltered pipe? Majority of young Chinese have their own way (like VPN) to access YouTube/Google/Facebook. Again all such product except Google are not that attractive to them.
      Aug 4
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Forget to mention, Taiwanese brain-washing political talk-show on YouTube are really entertaining, that’s equally attractive as Google.
      Aug 4
    • Microsoft Catchabeat
      Don’t forget they don’t respect other people/countries IP either and rip us off.
      Aug 5
    • Twitch opsubzero
      "Considering it as a huge country". What the hell? Are you afraid the country won't hold up anymore once its citizens learn the truth?

      You're right, you need censorship for the people to continue protecting the billionaires of the Communist Party.
      Aug 5
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Quite the opposite, Chinese will be more united once the Google/YouTube ban removed, as they saw the anti-China reality of foreign media. From this perspective I strongly pro the open-up. For example, Communist Party is always “protecting” Taiwanese by hiding their anti-China hatred, otherwise the Chinese gov will be forced by their citizen to take over Taiwan militarily. So westerners are really ignorant to live in the delusion to relate anything in China to their government but forget one thing —- extremely strong and distinctive nationalism based upon culture and history stretching thousands of years, which is the real force that glues China together. Chinese Communist Party need to play well this card but also cautious enough not to fire itself. From all comments above, we could see average westerners have zero knowledge about China yet China is expanding and taking over everything. You lose the competition from the beginning if you know nothing about your rival. That’s dangerous.
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      Racist rant.
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Yololo

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      +1 for qtmu21, note that Americans are less than half of Blind users. Most of the comments you see are written by Indians, Russians etc.
      Aug 20
  • Intel GTag86
    Why blame China and Google? Our govt has backdoor into all gadgets and serives we use not to mention intercepting and reading searches and all other conceivable forms of communication. If a company had to operate here we force them to submit our surveillance methods.. Every country incl China want to do what we already do
    Aug 111
    • McAfee / Otherroundhere
      Two wrongs don’t make a right. That’s ALSO wrong
      Aug 1
    • New bvram
      You know too much! 😛
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      roundhere@, this isn't wrong. This is how governments of the most powerful countries in this planet work. Either get more mature or go live in fairyland.
      Aug 1
    • McAfee Defcon1
      Just because it’s the way it is doesn’t mean it’s right or it’s the way it should be. 1984 wasn’t an instruction Manual
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      Why do you think you are right? Do you have experience running a government?
      Aug 1
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      What does this have to do with surveillance? China censors internet access to withhold information from Chinese citizens, and they attacked Google's systems. The NSA wiretapping was bad, but it's not really the same thing.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      Why do you think the US government isn't withholding information from you?
      Aug 2
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      We don't all get our Internet access from the national firewall, and we can easily travel to Europe, Asia, or anywhere else and confirm that we see the same content from there.
      Aug 3
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      Aug 3
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      That's not what we were talking about. Keep your story straight, spy.
      Aug 3
  • Google UJBa23
    It’s a matter of principles, which have little to do with business needs. Many people have joined Google because they believe the company is more than simple business.

    They believe(d) in the mission and vision. They praised the don’t be evil. They stand for the concept of Googleyness (even if this concept varies from Googler to Googler)

    That translated into multiple initiatives that went beyond the “just business” such as the Data Liberation Front (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Data_Liberation_Front).

    Standing against government crackdowns in China or helping relocate/evacuate our Eng team from Moscow are just the tip of the iceberg, the most public manifestations of that “more than business” mindset. Those were times were our teammates went through hell. There were many other similar examples

    Providing only half information isn’t better than providing none. A half lie is lie. Lying by omission is a real thing. By providing only half of the picture you are reinforcing (endorsing) the echo chamber in which some governments want their population to live. In which case, why not asking directly Cambridge Analytica decide what we should show in our Search page? Who says we won’t be showing the same results as Baidu if we have to play by the same censored rules as them? In which case, are we there for $$ or the “better help billions of Chinese nationals”?

    China is already using our products. Go to China and you would see all foreigners being able to use Google Search, Maps, etc. All locals are using VPNs to download our offline features (e.g. Google translate)

    Besides, they already have apps for most of their needs. E.g. on how Wechat is way more advanced, versatile and holistic than any of our apps so it’s not like we would take them from middle-age into the 21st century

    So if we go there with a censored app for the revenue, let’s be a grown up company, have some self respect and say it while at the same time scratching the remains of “don’t be evil” because we became that, just a conventional company. Which is fine I guess but most likely not the company I would like to work for.
    Aug 28
    • Google ;O 𓂺
      We already censor content in countries. And people with vpns can still access uncensored versions of a product.

      Further, blocking google.com and it’s subdomains/ips inhibits cloud growth.
      Aug 2
    • Google / Enggoofish
      If you think Baidu is good enough for Chinese, you are underestimating the shit it has done. It's not just censored. It's way worse. Just look at this and you will be surprised: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Wei_Zexi

      If you think most Chinese people can use VPN, you are so wrong. I don't have exact number but definitely less than 1% knows how to Google using VPN (when I was in search we have a dashboard tracking this). And WeChat and other products are out of discussion because we are talking about search.

      So you are talking about what principle exactly? No censorship? Google is doing that, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google . If you think Google will become the Chinese gov's propaganda machine, you can relax. And "providing half info" (also wrong, 90% is not cencored) is definitely better than none. Anyway, if you are morally okay with the current censorship/gov backdoor Google is doing now in the rest of the world, you will find yourself morally okay with that in China.
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      The principle is do no evil. By not entering China, we left Chinese users with the Evil Baidu. This is evil.
      Aug 2
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      Thank you, UJBa23. Glad there's still someone left at Google who isn't a Chinese spy.
      Aug 3
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      @Buddy Guy, you are such a racist. Why don't you protest to Zuckerberg because he has been trying so hard to get in China as well.
      Aug 4
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      I just think it's interesting that you're in here, trying so hard to justify everything the Chinese government does, days after all these stories came out about the Chinese government's spying operations in Silicon Valley. I hope they're paying you well.
      Aug 4
    • Google ;O 𓂺
      Lmao. You know nothing about China.
      Aug 4
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      No I'm not justifying for the Chinese government. I am putting Chinese users first.
      Aug 4
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Ldkdneb

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    Hilarious to see all racists trying to bash China all the time in Blind while accusing Trump as a racist or whatever. How are you different from Trump?
    Aug 13
    • Google / Eng🍑☁️
      What are you on about? I have seen literally no racism against Chinese people in this thread. Just criticisms of the Chinese government's policies
      Aug 1
    • McAfee Defcon1
      Why is it racist to criticize the human rights abuses of an oppressive authoritarian regime? One that abuses ethnic minorities in its own country by the way
      Aug 1
    • McAfee Defcon1
      @google that MUST be racist, how dare you criticize the people’s government
      Aug 1
  • Amazon cayde-6
    Wait, they removed "don't be evil" from their docs? Why? Is being evil the new direction?
    Aug 12
    • eBay NuData
      On the contrary be evil is one of Amazons leadership principles
      Aug 1
    • Google SoSad
      It’s in a different section now, not gone, but that doesn’t make as good a headline so shit journalism ensued and people just read headlines.
      Aug 1
  • New / Eng
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    Is it worse than Trump as POTUS ?
    Aug 17
    • Facebook Thrift
      What does US president being stupid has to do with chinese censorship?

      Dont defend something by giving lame arguments that are not even related.

      China was censored way before that ass became potus
      Aug 1
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      EMC Corporation
      hzFR57more
      stop jumping to conclusions.. who said related.. n who said I defend it..
      Aug 1
    • Facebook Thrift
      Than what point are you trying to make ?
      Aug 1
    • New / Eng
      hzFR57

      NewEng

      PRE
      EMC Corporation
      hzFR57more
      it's not a bad decision in comparison to what US ppl have made with so called liberalism
      Aug 1
    • Amazon MemeMagic
      Wow never thought I’d see someone suggest liberalism/freedom is bad because Trump is president. Lmfao
      Aug 1
    • Cisco Cnmsike
      Careful my dude, hella mad man dick suckers here
      Aug 2
    • Apple / Engfmzdhd
      intereating
      Did Trump jail his critic? He orally attacks journalist, sure, did he jail them?
      Did he murder any dissident?
      Did he send lawyer fighting for political prisoner to labor camp?

      Comparing a Communist regime with Trump shows that you have truly no idea how bad a government could be.
      Aug 4
  • Google / Enggoofish
    Why the hell do people only see the dark side? Why don't you see the bright side of bringing the best search quality to billions of users? Even a cencored Google is 10x better (and more open I believe) than the shitty Chinese search engine Baidu! Why censorship is so fucking important that it always offset the merits of making a positive step toward making Chinese search better??

    Bringing Google back to China != Evil
    Aug 14
    • Oracle otLQ15
      Hey Bing is there already and nobody uses it
      Aug 1
    • Google / Enggoofish
      Because it's a piece of shit.
      Aug 1
    • Oracle otLQ15
      Well when Google was in China, it’s market share never surpassed Baidu, that makes Google a piece of shit as well I guess
      Aug 1
    • Google / Enggoofish
      Things have changed. Ask anyone who ever used Baidu after Google leave.
      Aug 1
  • Uber / OtherIAmTurok
    China = Public Censorship, West = Public Manipulation. Same outcome.
    Aug 23
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      Look how the public was manipulated by MSM to believe that Hillary was going to be the POTUS. Now they are criticizing the Chinese internet censorship. Lmao
      Aug 2
    • Google / EngHappyDude
      How do you think Google can change that?
      Aug 2
    • Netflix ricewater
      Google has to adhere to local laws. I don't blame its censorship in China in order to do business. On the other hand, the search results are obviously promoting left ideology, and that's by choice.
      Aug 3
  • Google / EngTruthSeeky
    Providing 99% useful information to the people in the world's largest country vs non-existing to them. How hard is it to decide? It's beneficial to both Chinese users as well as Google's business. Why not do that? Oh maybe it hurts the moral superiority of some Google fans who don't live in China or even haven't been to China but want to judge what Google should do in China?
    Aug 10
  • AT&T qtmu21
    I don’t understand why India has no big brands like Baidu, Tencent or Alibaba?
    Aug 311
    • AT&T qtmu21
      I feel sorry if you can’t understand the logic behind of what I’m saying
      Aug 3
    • Facebook Thrift
      Fyi flipkart recently got aquired for some 20 billion usd

      Chinese government is impossible to work with. Amazon tried to enter chinese market and failed.

      Also probably indian are not as good as chinese at stealing IP
      Aug 3
    • Intel 7-11
      I guess qtmu21 was saying because India allow Google into the market so there's no so-called local king like BAT in China. BAT's presence is not due to competitiveness but due to gov protection.
      Aug 3
    • Facebook Thrift
      So isnt it in someway similar to Trump’s tariffs ? That’s also a type of protectionism.

      If US starts protectionism with tech jobs, people like qtmu21 will be jobless soon.
      If every country starts doing that there wont be any cross innovation.
      Aug 3
    • Intel 7-11
      US allows companies to compete within the US market even when there's a protectionism. China protects companies that align to the Party's interest not to people's interest. You know there's a joke that BAT's last names are the same "Party"
      Aug 3
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Nope. Chinese government protect its own as well as the whole country’s interest, that’s Chinas own Internet market. Chinese Internet population is 750 million, equal to the whole western world. Of course gov won’t send such a huge cake to foreign business.
      Aug 4
    • AT&T qtmu21
      To Thrift: Trump has already started protectionism. Also, jobless? If US now expels all foreigners, I could still easily get a job making decent salary from top Chinese company. What about u?
      Aug 4
    • Facebook Thrift
      You didnt get the point. Trump’s protectionism is bad and we all understand that, similarly chinese protectionism is bad too try to understand that too!

      If every country starts protectionism that Chinese economy will be in shambles, where would you export your cheap Chinese products ?
      Aug 4
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Trumps protectionism is bad? I personally agree. But 50% people in this country will disagree. Btw, I also support Google get into China. But anyone other than Google won’t be able to compete with Chinese locals
      Aug 4
    • Facebook Thrift
      The reason they disagree is because some of then know about the bad Chinese policies and they want to level the field.

      Entering a new market is difficult and if you add impossible laws it makes it more difficult. More companies want to enter chinese market but government policies are blocking them. Just imagube if the shitty regulations are lifted a lot more companies will come in which will bring more jobs and innovation and Chinese people wont have to migrate to US in search of better options.
      Aug 4
  • Facebook voqgtpa
    What's the big deal? Google already filters out search results in the US that are critical of Islam: https://www.google.com/search?q=jihad

    The only change they will have to make is the logo 😂.
    Aug 10
  • McAfee / Otherroundhere
    “Don’t be evil” is it surprising after Google itself embraced censorship?
    Aug 13
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      Why do you think complying with local laws is evil? Isn't it a bigger evil denying people of service because we don't like their government?
      Aug 1
    • McAfee Defcon1
      If that government will take your user data they require you to provide them then torture and imprison those who disagree then providing service is a bigger evil.
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      Is that your imagination or you have experienced that?
      Even if you don't provide such service, these same users will go to other local services and get the same treatment. In a nutshell, we are not making the situation in China worse by operating there. The government has ownership of user data of its people, regardless of the service provider. When FBI wants user data from Google to track down suspects, we comply as well.

      If we are not making things worse but at the same time benefiting 99.99% of the users there, why do you think it's evil?
      Aug 1
  • New YgKF6k
    Google refused to cooperate with the us military by refusing to let the us leverage its ai technology to hunt terrorists, which is a bigger concern than censoring content in China. Google already censors any content not consistent with the alt left, regardless of the country. And bluntly it’s their servers so they have the right to control what content goes on them; businesses have rights too.
    Aug 22
    • Zendesk crory
      What is the alt left?
      Aug 2
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      Shortcut for the back button
      Aug 3
  • Google / EngHappyDude
    There is so much outcry from idiots about what they don't like about China as if Google can make a difference by not censoring itself in China. It's been 8 years and what's changed? Don't be so childish OK? It's not for you to judge whether Google should serve the Chinese users!
    Aug 20
  • Intel 7-11
    Btw how do you guys know today's google.com isn't censored?! Can anyone prove it's not??
    Aug 10
  • Google JzQe48
    Wait a second... I think Bing has been offering censored search in China for years...
    Aug 10
  • McAfee / Otherroundhere
    This focuses mostly on Google's apparent planned launch of a censored search app. But there's also another issue here, which is the extent to which Google's unnamed China-based partner will provide user data to the Chinese government.
    Aug 15
    • Google SoSad
      Sounds like groundless speculation.
      Aug 1
    • McAfee Defcon1
      China requires that they provide user data when there is a violation. Ummm google it...
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      FBI has the same requirement. Period
      Aug 1
    • McAfee Defcon1
      So an illegal massive surveillance apparatus here that still requires due process is the same as a massive surveillance apparatus that exists to execute those who speak up and punish dissent?

      You will be forced to give China data that will be used to imprison, torture and even execute political prisoners. But hey, everyone else it doing it
      Aug 1
    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      User data from Chinese users belong to the Chinese government, regardless of the service provider. Do you really care about the Chinese users? Have you talked to Chinese users living in China? I bet you have never been to China.
      Aug 1
  • General Motors WBEE64
    Why blame Google for this. I don't understand how situation there would get any worse than it already is by this move. Companies alone cannot survive this war when most sovereign nations are ignoring dark side of China while running behind Chinese money.
    Aug 20
  • Microsoft Hyad70
    Google and Bing censor and deprioritise political content that they don't agree with...in the US and elsewhere.
    Aug 20
  • Google zFsy57
    This is such bullshit. DF shows almost identical results for "Tiananmen Square Massacre" as Baidu. Also, people working on this project weren't even told the full scope of the project.
    Aug 10
  • AT&T qtmu21
    The truth is, even China now opens for all US tech companies without any restriction, they won’t compete with Chinese local brands, except Google. China has already completed building its own Tech ecosystem. So obviously most keyboard warriors really like to comment and judge on what they know nothing about.
    Aug 47
    • Facebook Thrift
      Do you know what globalization means? If every other nation starts the same shit your chinese factories will shut down overnight and your shitty cheap products wont have any buyers and then imagine what will happen to once growing economy.

      Try to understand why is chinese government so afraid of US tariffs. Protectionism is bad for innovation.
      Aug 4
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Get some geopolitics lessons plz. Who told u globalization is perfect? Truth is globalization is broken now and regionization is the trend. Even for regionization? Just look at EU. Also Chinese economy now is mostly driven by domestic consumption as well as innovation. As mentioned above, this is because Chinese market itself is equivalent to the whole western world. It’s laughable your perception towards the world lags 10 years behind.
      Aug 4
    • Facebook Thrift
      Oh then why are you here ? If its a booming market why do people have to migrate to US ? Not a fan of tariffs but if they are implemented at the scale trump is imagining, your shitty economy will come down within days and your factories will close overnight.

      Read more about economics before you start argumenting.

      If Chinese economy is driven by domestic consumption then why is the government pissing in their pants about tariffs ?
      Aug 4
    • Facebook Thrift
      Aug 4
    • Netflix ricewater
      I believe Netflix will do well in China. And censorship isn't a big deal. But we can't get a permit to operate.
      Aug 4
    • Google JzQe48
      @ricewater Paying a monthly fee for watching TV episodes? I doubt. Almost all the Chinese video sites offer videos for free, legally, at least for those name brand. Just like Alibaba offers zero-commission e-commerce in China and wiped out eBay and Amazon from China. The Chinese market is different and that's why many American companies failed there. Before banned by the government, Facebook was NOT doing well (compared with Renren at that time), and Google was NOT either (compared with Baidu then).
      Aug 4
    • Netflix ricewater
      Ads. Is annoying. iQiyi is growing quickly using Netflix model.
      Aug 4
  • AT&T qtmu21
    It’s hilarious to see so many here still think China banning Google is simply to control public speech. It’s for growing domestic brands to make money ok?
    Aug 34
    • Uber / OtherIAmTurok
      It’s not actually. It’s to protect Chinese citizens from western PsyOps..you know, like the ones US have ran around the world decades and have just fallen victim to themselves in the election of Trump. That would NEVER happen in China.
      Aug 3
    • Intel 7-11
      It's to protect Xi dynasty
      Aug 3
    • AT&T qtmu21
      China starts protection from Day 1, not from XI. Of course ppl from weak countries have no gut or ambition or capability to challenge US hegemony.
      Aug 4
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Btw, Xi dynasty is way better than Tsai dynasty
      Aug 4
  • Google / EngHappyDude
    Google already does censorship in almost every country: https://transparencyreport.google.com/government-removals/by-country/RU
    Aug 30
  • LinkedIn xLoS81
    fake news
    Aug 10
  • Google Gary page
    I just hope investors like this so the stock price doubles or something. Not much left in terms of wanting from Google nowadays.
    Aug 10
  • Asurion 7vdcg
    This makes me think less of Google
    Aug 10
  • Amazon Wilkeee
    💵💵💵💵💵💵💵
    Aug 10
  • Google / EngFakebook
    No comment until Google officially announces it.
    Aug 10
  • Microsoft Hyad70
    If people want to understand the Chinese economy, read China's Great Wall of Debt by Dinny McMahon. He is a native Australian that spent 10 years covering the Chinese economy and financial system. He's fluent in Mandarin. This isn't a political book, but does discuss Chinese politics in the context of their economy. It is a very facinating read and points out the strengths and very real vulnerabilities too. While the US economy is healthy and China is slowing with some huge issues looming, it's time to correct their preditory and IP-stealing ways while we can. If that means a little pain along the way, so be it.
    Aug 48
    • Amazon Wilkeee
      This ^
      Aug 4
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Lmao! You’d better read the Coming Collapse of China by Gordon Cheng. Why not learn Mandarin to get real knowledge of Chinese/China? I learned.
      Aug 4
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      Good book and I like Gordon Chang (Not Cheng), but it's too old to reflect today's issues - a lot has happened since 2001.
      Aug 5
    • AT&T qtmu21
      But has China collapsed?
      Aug 5
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      We don't want it to collapse...we want it to drop its preditory and IP-stealing ways. They definitely have slowed, however. I think they have worked down a good deal of their Ghost Town inventories, but still have an overproduction problem in many sectors.
      Aug 6
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Your knowledge on China is very limited and superficial. Go get some Mandarin learning courses and read their media and talk to real Chinese people to figure out what’s really going on in China.
      Aug 6
    • AT&T qtmu21
      IP-stealing? True. Ghost town? True. Overproduction? True. Slow down? No. They are transforming their economy to more tech- and service-oriented one. But anyway your perception on China reflects NY Times opinion, suggesting American media is your major knowledge source on China. Unfortunately they only would like you to know the China they wanted you to know.
      Aug 6
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      NY Times? Are you nuts? I've followed China for years. Read The Great Wall of China Debt and tell me where it is off base - truly, I'm open to correction if backed by facts.
      Aug 6
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    • New bvram
      Exactly
      Aug 1
    • New bvram
      They're more concerned about preserving communism than indoctrinating the maases towards liberal self destruction
      Aug 1
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    • Google / EngTruthSeeky
      Chinese government rules China. Google's service in China needs to be ruled by the Chinese government. It's just that simple. Just like we don't quit EU because they rule us by posting a huge fine.
      Aug 1
  • Google fbish
    Sure OP, says some one who didnt even pass the Google interview
    Aug 11
    • Google / Engwhoami420
      Nah it's still there, just not as prominently featured.
      Aug 1
  • Uber / OtherIAmTurok
    Bend the knee!
    Aug 30
  • Symantec ceosrbozos
    Anyone who says never when money is involved is usually lying.
    Aug 30
  • AXIS Capital gt6
    Bye-bye baidu
    Aug 20
  • Microsoft ebjus62h
    Free testing? That's probably Google's alpha release of what they have in plans for us.
    Aug 20
  • Intuit JFCz80
    Who doesn’t bend for money
    Aug 10
  • New bBFR55
    People living under censorship don't know they are living under a censorship. Most government do that, only when system breaks for someone they realize it's all wrong. Watch the documentary 'They Live'
    Aug 31

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