Google bending to China, to offer censored search engine...

Microsoft SimpleRick
Aug 1, 2018 353 Comments

Not saying any particular company's hands are clean, but if true, then clearly Google's recent move to scrub "Don't Be Evil" from all their corporate literature seems to make sense in light of this news...

https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engine-censorship/

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  • Facebook Thrift
    I don’t understand why everything in china has to be state Censored, how are citizens ok with this ?
    Aug 1, 2018 109
    • Uber / Sales DetergentX
      You’ve got a lot to learn about communism, OP.
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Microsoft Luther
      Always stand on the moral high ground. Pretend to be polite to others but actually a racist deep inside. That’s why American always think they are superior and keep exporting their idea and value to the whole world. Glad Trump gets elected at least for one time they start to rethink there maybe something wrong about themselves.
      Aug 3, 2018
    • AT&T qtmu21
      I don’t understand why India has no big brands like Baidu, Tencent or Alibaba?
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Facebook Thrift
      Trying to divert the discussion to something totally unrelated 👏👏
      Aug 3, 2018
    • New gpQI26
      Timscock, the problem w yo ur analogy is that I think andy Lau genuinely likes xi, and therefore no need to f him...
      It be like saying if RDN bitches about Obama...

      I am sure some people in the general populace bitches about Xi, but that's no big deal... If there is a concerted faction that wants to topple Xi, maybe dark things happen... But then again dark things have happened in the white house if we believe Hollywood movies or conspiracy theories...
      Aug 3, 2018
  • Autodesk omni
    Denying Chinese people of good products just because they don’t agree with a government, frankly, a shittier move, back in 2010.
    Aug 1, 2018 37
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      You have no idea about China. So shut up.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Apple Tim'sCock
      A dictatorship that kills and oppresses people, I know enough. The fact that they are so good at mindfucking their population that someone who has left that hell hole still defends that their own people should continue to be oppressed just goes to show you the dominance of the government over the mind of their population. North Korea is not so exceptional I guess.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      Who says we support censorships? What can Google do about it? The people in China want Google search, even censored version. If Google doesn't cooperate with the Chinese government, it doesn't exist as far as Chinese users are concerned. Providing useful information 99.99% of the times vs 0, how hard is it to choose? Or are you too stupid to realize that?
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Apple Tim'sCock
      So helping to create the cage in which people have no say about their government is better because with Google it'll be a nicer cage. I just don't know if you are a bad person, or if they have rotten so much of your brain inculcating you the system since you were born that now you can not see. 50 years from now, China will be a democracy, and your grand children will ask why you were not part of that fight. You are in the wrong side of history, and Google will be too if they become complicit.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      Tim'sCock, are you hallucinated? Please go ahead and fight the Chinese government for the freedom of the Chinese people!

      Oh no, you are such a coward that you don't even dare to visit China. You are nothing more than a keyboard warrior who has no fucking idea about China and its people but want to be the judge. Lmao.
      Aug 2, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Ldkdneb

    Microsoft Eng

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    Ldkdnebmore
    I agree that Chinese government should stop censorship etc but China is still a developing country. People in China earns 1/10th of Americans. Some developed countries like South Korea and Taiwan went through similar (albeit less) pains like this but they eventually build good democratic country. It takes time. China is like mid 80s in South Korea. Give additional 20 years at least. I think Chinese people also know that their country is very immature and they will be the first to admit they are far far behind US in so many ways. They are sacrificing some things for eventual good. People need to be educated more and generation has to be changed. China is more exposed because of its size but I think they are on a good track. After about 10-15 years, people will demand democracy and this is a natural course. Usually when economy grows by above 3% steadily, people as a group tend to forgive what government does.
    Aug 1, 2018 12
    • Amazon / Eng QGqA17
      Chinese government is paying you RMB 0.5 for this comment.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Microsoft ebjus62h
      Like the many other regimes in history which became democracies. The freedoms we enjouy are the exception, moron.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Microsoft / Sales
      FUPM_CE!

      Microsoft Sales

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      China is a fucking communist dictatorship. Not a developing country that is why the wage gap exists.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Broadcom Ltd. BtRE41
      Dude, I heard similar staffs like this 10 years ago....so 10 years later, you could copy and paste the same again.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Amazon ehzV12
      China can never be a “developed” country since it has large population and will consume most of the earth resources, and leaving other countries poor. So China can never be democratic following your theory
      Aug 2, 2018
  • New AFQu71
    In China essentially top 1% is mostly people with connections to government. Rest of population works for them like slaves. They live in dorm rooms that have like 10 beds per room above factories. Then those slave owners come to US to buy real estate and hide their money in case it would get confiscated in China one day..
    Aug 1, 2018 12
    • Broadcom Ltd. BtRE41
      Even middle class people’s babies have to take poisonous vaccine, and government gives it a shit on doing anything but suppressing the parents, reporters and lawyers who tried to disclose it, for years! This is China today.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      @BtRE41, you are unhappy with the Chinese government. But how is Google going to change that? By being non-existent to them?
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google hedgeit
      How drastically diff is it in the state?
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Uber / Other GinNCronic
      Another idiot that has never been to China peddling his western media bullshit as if it’s fact. THIS is why Facebook and Google are banned in a China.
      Aug 20, 2018
    • TuneIn MguA76
      Typical China bashing, when an outrageous claim is disputed, instead of proving it, point out a completely unrelated actual problem (yes China has its issues).
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Fitbit / Eng
    Kyliejjiej

    Fitbit Eng

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    Sucks but you have to follow the country policies and laws, why fight it?
    Aug 1, 2018 4
    • Microsoft SimpleRick
      OP
      "Don't blame me, just following company orders.. lol"
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Microsoft SimpleRick
      OP
      I mean, this is just one among many ethical problems facing tech. If your product can be used to target, track, imprison, and torture dissidents and commit other human rights violations, I mean.... do we just shrug our shoulders and go, oh well shit happens"?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Autodesk omni
      Microsoft’s Bing operates a censored version in China... FYI.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Microsoft SimpleRick
      OP
      Good to know.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Microsoft SimpleRick
    OP
    Ouch.

    NYT: Google withdrew from China 8 years ago to protest the country's censorship and online hacking. Now the company is building a new search engine that complies with Chinese censorship rules.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1024746615016497152
    Aug 1, 2018 5
    • Shopify / Eng Shpoptify
      Yikes
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google Gary page
      Need that meaty market. Need that moolah. Investors be waiting.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng TruthSeeky
      They exit because they thought Google was powerful enough to influence the Chinese Government to make China more open and free. Ouch, it didn't happen. Chinese users are stuck with Baidu who does a lot of evil like selling ads linking to fake websites and promoting institutions doing unlawful medical practices. Why not go back and serve the Chinese users better than Baidu? Only because you don't agree with the values of their government? Do you know how many countries that Google operates in are ruled by non-democratic governments and Google does censorship for as well? Shall we deny people of all these countries of our service just because we don't like the way their government operates?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      Those other countries didn't infiltrate Google's network like China did.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      I actually admire the technical savviness of the Chinese government to be able to hack Google servers. Google engineers will definitely try harder next time. On the flip side, now that Chinese government requires that all Chinese user data stay in China and be readily available to them, there is no need to hack.
      Aug 2, 2018
  • Google curious 98
    Google has long ago bended to saudi arabia by following that country's censorship rules. So wake up people no company will ever be entirely pure and innocent. And all the focus on China is just away the government wants the u.s. people to turn against that particular country. If you talk about human rights - why don't us pay attention to India, to Saudi Arabia, to the war America may be issuing against Iran?
    Aug 1, 2018 7
    • AMD PsWL84
      Then why gang up against pentagon?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google curious 98
      To AMD - Then why don't googlers gang up against google providing service in saudia Rabia? Supporting pentagon purely means providing weapon to kill, but providing a search engine in China, even censored, does not mean to make the censorship worse, as the internet has already been censored almost every where. If Chinese people want to use uncensored service, they can always use VPN (which many people are already doing). To provide google search engine there means tens of billions of people will access to much better, informative, fair, and transparent resources on many topics (e.g. hospital, medical care, education). The world is never black and white, I would rather think more practically - instead of thinking about moral philosophy only and being stuck in the same place years after years.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Facebook Thrift
      FYI - Chinese government ordered the 3 telecom providers to completely block access to VPNs by feb 2018
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      Yeah, that VPN argument is such a joke. "If Chinese people want to use uncensored service, they can just get it illegally! Nothing bad ever happens to criminals in China."
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Google ⚜️
      It's better to be inconsistently principled than to be consistently unprincipled.

      Plus Xi's power consolidation is a step backwards when even Saudi Arabia is slowly moving forwards in regards to rights.
      Aug 6, 2018
  • AMD PsWL84
    I thought Googlers were fighting over submission to pentagon. How do they feel about submission to china?
    Aug 1, 2018 5
    • McAfee / Other roundhere
      Helping communism is fine. Welcome to Google
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Autodesk omni
      One is to develop weapons to kill, the other is just to exist. Wow, Americans feel they are so entitled that killing for them is the same as access for others.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • McAfee / Other roundhere
      What happens when the Chinese Government executes people based on Googles provides user data? That kills people.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng TruthSeeky
      Submission to government? No, serving users is more important than satisfying some people's need to stay on moral high ground.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Uber mr_f
      China is not really communist anymore
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Google / Eng ;O 𓂺
    Oh shut up. We already censor results for Europe. This is such a non issue.
    Aug 1, 2018 8
    • Amazon MemeMagic
      Don’t you motherfuckers track me on google maps?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng TruthSeeky
      All forms of censorship is bad? Why do we censor porn from youtube?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      That's bad too, but there's a pretty big difference between refusing to host porn on your servers and trying to stop people from finding out that porn even exists.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      @Buddy Guy, so you are suggesting that being non-existent to the Chinese users is better than some form of existence although not in a way that fits your ideology? What's your logic here?
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng ;O 𓂺
      Bingo. It’s all pearl clutching from concern trolls. Google should have a presence in China. It will also make GCP available to Chinese customers.
      Aug 2, 2018
  • Google Jfofoansnd
    Why are microsoftfies throwing stones for google doing what bing has already been doing for years?
    Aug 1, 2018 3
    • New / Eng
      hzFR57

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      why do u think Google n msft employees in blind are the decision makers?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Facebook Goldbach
      Yes, because they totally support that decision just because they work for Microsoft. Dude...
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng TruthSeeky
      Thanks to Microsoft, I can use Bing every time I visit China. Kudos!
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    🐉⚡

    Google Eng

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    Good good. Hopefully our drone bombers are ready soon too. 😈 "Be More Evil"
    Aug 1, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng TruthSeeky
      This just shows your ignorance about Chinese users.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Microsoft SimpleRick
    OP
    To quote Noob-Noob: "God-daaaammmn!"

    "So working with DOD via Project Maven caused an internal uproar, but helping China’s Party oppress over 1.3 billion people and violate their human rights is totally fine? Really, Google employees?"

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MilenaRodban
    Aug 1, 2018 4
    • Google balin
      Just watch the geniuses in g/(whatever) explaining why it’s a good move. Same ones who raised hell about Maven.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Microsoft ryML78
      Too many uneducated millennials with rubber stamped degrees thinking they are smarter than everyone else.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng TruthSeeky
      Providing 99% of useful information is oppressing? What do you call for providing 0 information?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google ⚜️
      The "white left" at work.
      Aug 5, 2018
  • Google / Eng lEEtcOdE
    so many stupid arrogant people who knows nothing about China comment here. China has its own laws, it does not matter whether you westerners like it. Google, as a company, in order to grow its business, tries to get in China by obeying the rules, what’s wrong with that ? Censorship is not always bad, especially considering it as a huge country like China. Stop forcing the so called universal value to other places. Its just dumb.
    Aug 4, 2018 8
    • Microsoft Catchabeat
      Don’t forget they don’t respect other people/countries IP either and rip us off.
      Aug 5, 2018
    • Twitch opsubzero
      "Considering it as a huge country". What the hell? Are you afraid the country won't hold up anymore once its citizens learn the truth?

      You're right, you need censorship for the people to continue protecting the billionaires of the Communist Party.
      Aug 5, 2018
    • AT&T qtmu21
      Quite the opposite, Chinese will be more united once the Google/YouTube ban removed, as they saw the anti-China reality of foreign media. From this perspective I strongly pro the open-up. For example, Communist Party is always “protecting” Taiwanese by hiding their anti-China hatred, otherwise the Chinese gov will be forced by their citizen to take over Taiwan militarily. So westerners are really ignorant to live in the delusion to relate anything in China to their government but forget one thing —- extremely strong and distinctive nationalism based upon culture and history stretching thousands of years, which is the real force that glues China together. Chinese Communist Party need to play well this card but also cautious enough not to fire itself. From all comments above, we could see average westerners have zero knowledge about China yet China is expanding and taking over everything. You lose the competition from the beginning if you know nothing about your rival. That’s dangerous.
      Aug 5, 2018
    • Microsoft Hyad70
      Racist rant.
      Aug 5, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Yololo

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      Yololomore
      +1 for qtmu21, note that Americans are less than half of Blind users. Most of the comments you see are written by Indians, Russians etc.
      Aug 20, 2018
  • Intel GTag86
    Why blame China and Google? Our govt has backdoor into all gadgets and serives we use not to mention intercepting and reading searches and all other conceivable forms of communication. If a company had to operate here we force them to submit our surveillance methods.. Every country incl China want to do what we already do
    Aug 1, 2018 11
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      What does this have to do with surveillance? China censors internet access to withhold information from Chinese citizens, and they attacked Google's systems. The NSA wiretapping was bad, but it's not really the same thing.
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      Why do you think the US government isn't withholding information from you?
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      We don't all get our Internet access from the national firewall, and we can easily travel to Europe, Asia, or anywhere else and confirm that we see the same content from there.
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      That's not what we were talking about. Keep your story straight, spy.
      Aug 3, 2018
  • Google UJBa23
    It’s a matter of principles, which have little to do with business needs. Many people have joined Google because they believe the company is more than simple business.

    They believe(d) in the mission and vision. They praised the don’t be evil. They stand for the concept of Googleyness (even if this concept varies from Googler to Googler)

    That translated into multiple initiatives that went beyond the “just business” such as the Data Liberation Front (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Data_Liberation_Front).

    Standing against government crackdowns in China or helping relocate/evacuate our Eng team from Moscow are just the tip of the iceberg, the most public manifestations of that “more than business” mindset. Those were times were our teammates went through hell. There were many other similar examples

    Providing only half information isn’t better than providing none. A half lie is lie. Lying by omission is a real thing. By providing only half of the picture you are reinforcing (endorsing) the echo chamber in which some governments want their population to live. In which case, why not asking directly Cambridge Analytica decide what we should show in our Search page? Who says we won’t be showing the same results as Baidu if we have to play by the same censored rules as them? In which case, are we there for $$ or the “better help billions of Chinese nationals”?

    China is already using our products. Go to China and you would see all foreigners being able to use Google Search, Maps, etc. All locals are using VPNs to download our offline features (e.g. Google translate)

    Besides, they already have apps for most of their needs. E.g. on how Wechat is way more advanced, versatile and holistic than any of our apps so it’s not like we would take them from middle-age into the 21st century

    So if we go there with a censored app for the revenue, let’s be a grown up company, have some self respect and say it while at the same time scratching the remains of “don’t be evil” because we became that, just a conventional company. Which is fine I guess but most likely not the company I would like to work for.
    Aug 2, 2018 8
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      Thank you, UJBa23. Glad there's still someone left at Google who isn't a Chinese spy.
      Aug 3, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      @Buddy Guy, you are such a racist. Why don't you protest to Zuckerberg because he has been trying so hard to get in China as well.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Facebook Buddy Guy
      I just think it's interesting that you're in here, trying so hard to justify everything the Chinese government does, days after all these stories came out about the Chinese government's spying operations in Silicon Valley. I hope they're paying you well.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Google / Eng ;O 𓂺
      Lmao. You know nothing about China.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      No I'm not justifying for the Chinese government. I am putting Chinese users first.
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Ldkdneb

    Microsoft Eng

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    Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
    Ldkdnebmore
    Hilarious to see all racists trying to bash China all the time in Blind while accusing Trump as a racist or whatever. How are you different from Trump?
    Aug 1, 2018 3
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      What are you on about? I have seen literally no racism against Chinese people in this thread. Just criticisms of the Chinese government's policies
      Aug 1, 2018
    • McAfee Defcon1
      Why is it racist to criticize the human rights abuses of an oppressive authoritarian regime? One that abuses ethnic minorities in its own country by the way
      Aug 1, 2018
    • McAfee Defcon1
      @google that MUST be racist, how dare you criticize the people’s government
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Amazon cayde-6
    Wait, they removed "don't be evil" from their docs? Why? Is being evil the new direction?
    Aug 1, 2018 2
    • eBay NuData
      On the contrary be evil is one of Amazons leadership principles
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google SoSad
      It’s in a different section now, not gone, but that doesn’t make as good a headline so shit journalism ensued and people just read headlines.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • New / Eng
    hzFR57

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    Is it worse than Trump as POTUS ?
    Aug 1, 2018 7
    • Facebook Thrift
      Than what point are you trying to make ?
      Aug 1, 2018
    • New / Eng
      hzFR57

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      it's not a bad decision in comparison to what US ppl have made with so called liberalism
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Amazon MemeMagic
      Wow never thought I’d see someone suggest liberalism/freedom is bad because Trump is president. Lmfao
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Cisco Cnmsike
      Careful my dude, hella mad man dick suckers here
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Apple / Eng fmzdhd
      intereating
      Did Trump jail his critic? He orally attacks journalist, sure, did he jail them?
      Did he murder any dissident?
      Did he send lawyer fighting for political prisoner to labor camp?

      Comparing a Communist regime with Trump shows that you have truly no idea how bad a government could be.
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Google / Eng goofish
    Why the hell do people only see the dark side? Why don't you see the bright side of bringing the best search quality to billions of users? Even a cencored Google is 10x better (and more open I believe) than the shitty Chinese search engine Baidu! Why censorship is so fucking important that it always offset the merits of making a positive step toward making Chinese search better??

    Bringing Google back to China != Evil
    Aug 1, 2018 4
    • Oracle / Eng otLQ15
      Hey Bing is there already and nobody uses it
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng goofish
      Because it's a piece of shit.
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng otLQ15
      Well when Google was in China, it’s market share never surpassed Baidu, that makes Google a piece of shit as well I guess
      Aug 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng goofish
      Things have changed. Ask anyone who ever used Baidu after Google leave.
      Aug 1, 2018
  • Uber / Other IAmTurok
    China = Public Censorship, West = Public Manipulation. Same outcome.
    Aug 2, 2018 3
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      Look how the public was manipulated by MSM to believe that Hillary was going to be the POTUS. Now they are criticizing the Chinese internet censorship. Lmao
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Google / Eng HappyDude
      How do you think Google can change that?
      Aug 2, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng ricewater
      Google has to adhere to local laws. I don't blame its censorship in China in order to do business. On the other hand, the search results are obviously promoting left ideology, and that's by choice.
      Aug 3, 2018